A BIG THANK YOU

So whats the alternator doing? nothing!!
We all know diode isolators don't do the job if your main battery is full and only accepting a few amps thats all your second battery will get regardless if its flat or not.

"therfore over a short drive you may end up with two Half charged batts. "

- no, this doesn't happen. I've actually tested it. To charge a battery you need a higher voltage than a battery puts out when it is being discharged.

You will get limited charge transfer over a day - not charge equalisation.

The bucket analogy is not valid for batteries.

Mike

He did go on to say the prefered method was the automatic isolator.

I have used the solenoid isolator for the past 30 years in all my 4WD's and never had a problem, when they are working that is. Had to replace them with new ones every 3-4 years. But for the price they work.

Tony, how do you replace the 'faulty' solenoid isolator that you say fails every 3-4 years when your out in the bush?

Wouldn't it be far cheaper and more convenient in the first place to buy a "decent" quality product, not only would it do the job more efficiently :-) but it will definately last longer, after all most do have a 5 year warranty... and you won't have to worry about loosing food in the fridge because you baught a low quality, low cost product.

I carry a spare. Anyway what good is a 5 year warranty when you are out in the bush.

Tony, using a quality product with a 5 year warranty gives you piece of mind, also more money in the bank account, more space and less weight and it just sits there working, probably forever L0L

You have bought at least 10 solenoids (with spares) minium, so you have spent more than the price a good Rotronics system without the Rotronics benefits.

That's obviously your choice :-)

Thats the one good thing about peace of mind, I know that the battery charging system of my choice will always be working. So who cares about the 5 year warranty, and I can afford to carry spares when I travel. That way I'm self relient and not have to worry about the food going off.

I also have 12 volt gauge on my three aux battries so at a glance I can see whats happening. The end of the day what works for you and me is what we live with.

Ps... Could you have copied ARB's logo, and fonts any more?

Trying to cash in on their name?

Good one trukster. My first thought, but I was too 'nice' to post it.

Self serving posts on net forums often bite you on the bum. Hope this one doesn't bite him too hard; he is an advertiser after all.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You missed this one AJ

Hi Truckster & others,

Actually he could be in strife - not could be probably is I would have thought. This forum post could provide substantial evidence in ARB's case due to the number of us that picked the similarity.

I picked the similarity as soon as he started advertising here. I thought it was a bit cheeky and it reminded me of a local case where "Lonestar Steakhouse & Saloon" or what ever that now defunct franchise of restaraunts was called took a small business here in town to court for naming a bar Lonestar Saloon. The franchise won.

Interesting read below for those who have picked the similarity. (I've edited out some irrelevant bits but the full sheet can be found with a quick google)

Dave

______________________________________________________
Australian Copyright Council Information Sheet G28 Logos: legal protection 3

Infringement
If a logo is protected by copyright, it will usually be an infringement to reproduce it without permission from the copyright owner. If the logo is very simple, there may be no infringement if the logo is not copied exactly.

Generally, however, reproducing part of a work without permission—even a small part—infringes copyright if it is
an important or recognisable part.

Making changes to a logo does not overcome infringement
Note that there is no rule in copyright law that permits reproduction of a logo if a percentage of it is changed, or if a certain number of alterations are made. If you can put the two logos side by side and identify important parts from the original that have been copied, it is likely that an important part of the original has been reproduced.

For example, the "Aussie Home Loans" logo consisting of three rectangles on top of each other, incorporating the three words and topped by a triangle, to represent a house was found to be protected by copyright as an artistic work. Copyright in this work was held to have been infringed by a rival company using a similar logo in which the
word "loans" was replaced by "builders". A number of other changes had been made, including the addition of a chimney and changes to the font, proportions of the triangles and shading, but the court had no difficulty in finding that the overall appearance of the two logos was so similar that infringement had taken place.

For further information on infringement, see our information sheet Infringement: what can I do?

Trade marks
A logo may be protected by copyright and also protected as a trade mark. A person who reproduces the logo without permission may then infringe both copyright and any trade mark rights. The Trade Marks Act 1995 (Cth) provides a formal system of registration for signs such as names, logos and other distinctive aspects of a product or packaging. Unlike copyright, protection under the Trade Marks Act depends on
registration and payment of a fee. Only marks inherently capable of distinguishing the traders’ goods or services can be registered.

Registration provides protection against other individuals or companies using the same or a deceptively similar mark in the course of trade. Trade marks are registered at IP Australia. IP Australia has its
head office in Canberra and sub-offices in each State capital city. It can be contacted at: 1300 651 010 or via its website at www.ipaustralia.gov.au.

If a trade mark has not been registered, a person using it may still have rights against others using it or a similar mark.

“Passing off” & consumer protection laws
A company or business that has an established reputation may be able to take legal action against another person who “cashes in” on that reputation in the market place. For example, a person using a name or logo connected with a product in a way that misrepresents the origin of the product, or suggests an endorsement which has not been given, may be in breach of laws such as “passing off”, the Trade Practices Act 1974 (Cth) or the fair trading laws which operate in the States and Territories.

For further information see www.artslaw.com.au or a private solicitor with expertise in these areas.
Further information
For further information about copyright, see our website: www.copyright.org.au or contact us.
Information from the Arts Law Centre of Australia may also be of interest to you: www.artslaw.com.au; phone
(02) 9356 2566.

Nice to see these logo's in question all on one page.

No they don't look the same.

AFFORDABLE BATTERIES & RADIATORS

Try it with your glasses on.

I would have to say that the only bloke I know who would look at those 2 or 3 logos and think they were/are the same would be one MISTER DES LEXIC..............cos you'd have to be either suffering from dislexia or be somewhat P I S S E D out your brain not to pick the difference IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahaha Good onya Derek....one for the little bloke!!!!

*Sigh* at last! Someone who uses common sense! :-D Good to see!
Cheers
Scoey!

Geez Guys cant you see its SPELLED differunt

ABR

ARB

Its totally different

Sheesh some families..........................

You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose
But you cant pick your friends nose

Wipe that brown chit off your nose Roachie.... then put your coke bottles back on and look again

Your right, it is obvious, when it is side by side. But I bet his shop isnt next door to ARB's is it?

Fisho, it maynot be next door but its highly illegal to breach copyright.

quote....I would have to say that the only bloke I know who would look at those 2 or 3 logos and think they were/are the same would be one MISTER DES LEXIC....unquote

thats what I mean truck, its easy to see they are different side by side, but the shops arent so if you were driving past or received an email you may not pick it straight away.

my point is, if he knows his stuff, he is devaluing himself by copying, if he doesnt then hes just a scammer

Opposed Lock
TMJ
4x4 WAREHOUSE
CompPro

Are all still available.......

GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!

Your on fire AJ, must be that KTM in the wings..

TMJ is taken, its on my car rego plate, am I in trouble ?

Rev,
perhaps a hard case , but also a quiet light.
I'm very ham-fisted by comparison.
(Accountant!! Should I be so lucky as to have a taxable income, I would certainly look under "R")
Just by the way, on a recent Radio National programme they interviewed that goose who does 'claymations' (Soo Good)
His accountant commented that, to spend 4 years to produce a 20 minute clip must be like following the drying of paint.
To which 'Our Lad' replied
.............................................and you're an Accountant!!
Just gotta love this site - aint we all brilliant ?
Jeff H.

You words are too kind to be sure.

Just a mere accountant sir, with a taste for things mechanical.

Your pardon m'lord.

Rev

Hi Mainey,
You got to be kidding...
Problem with the heatshrink??
Come on, stop trying to nit pick negative things about somebody like exploreoz serving to further our hobby.
The heatshrink in the pic is to just make a nice finish to the job and maybe create a little more abrasive wear against the sidewall and also keep the black and red cable togather in a neat run. Heatshrink is usually used to cover up solder joins but keeping 2 cables together is fine.
Man, (and to others),
let's keep this forum to a nice helpful sharing envionment, not a nit-picking one.

I think the battery article was a good broad non-technical overview, which has a good place on this website, because it alerts entry 4wd'ers to the fact that their new $80k shopping cart may need some mods to make it more reliable and comfortable in the bush.

Also to you and others, don't bag a service provider to our own hobby (ABR).
ooh I promoted a company in my post...
If for not them, and their competitors, I would have to design and make all my own gear.
So what about his logo.

Go out for a drive, and let's keep it real.

Mr E

hear hear

The point I'm making is, if I had actually paid a company to fit the Anderson plug and it came back to me looking like that, I would then remove it and fix it myself, and then I would not have to worry about the wiring that is hidden behind the wall, and wonder if it's likely to rub and cause my 4DW to burn to the ground, because the fuse is, as said in another post, to be put fitted at the far end of the battery supply cable and not at the (+) terminal of the battery as BMW do in their vehicles.

To publish a picture that is purporting to be your own work and is meant to show the high quality of your workmanship, that however actually clearly shows the faulty fitment of the heat-shrink is something I would not expect from a company that says prides it's-self on 'quality' workmanship...

Mr E, take a second look at the same picture and then tell me you can see a red and also a BLACK wire used with the Anderson plug, or is it only 2 x red wires, then tell me I'm only nit picking and being negative.
If you take the vehicle to a qualified Auto sparky and he uses only red wires for both POS (+) and also NEG (-) leads, would you then ask questions about competency ???

Maybe I'm just a Virgo perfectionist - (Ahhh, yes I know I am)

But there is a red and a black wire inside the red heat shrink.

Maybe a neater way would have been put a rubber grommet in the hole cut for the wires to come though, he does mention use rubber grommets when routing cable through metal.

Nebster, I've enlarged it and looked a second and even a tenth time and it still looks like two red wires, one at the right that's clearly visable and one at the side/back of it, look at the picture and see where the wires are actually going to.... are they reflections or shadows??
A neater way would have been to extend the heatshrink into the plug so no cables were visable - then this post would not exist L0L

Your eye's are painted on Mainey.....go get'em checked. There is a red and a black wire and heat shrink wrapped around both wires to keep them together. It's also probably there to protect the cables as they pass through the hole.

A satisfactory installation by someone that's not anally retentive!

Leroy

>>> I would rather drink warm beer than buy anything from you.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BETTER THAN GOLD!

"your continual self promotion is beyond anything I have ever seen on this forum throughout the years"

Not too sure about that mate, reckon Billy boy would give him a good run for his money!

Avagoodn
Pezza

ah yes pezza, but some threads get deleted for less.

>> Are any of you shareholders of ARB
Yes..

Well mate I'm sure when this bloke steals all of ARB's business and their share prices plummet you'll be broke so my advice to you, sell! SELL SELL!! If this thread's any indication the shares will be as good as worthless in no time! They may just be making a stink out of nothing but? Or was that my point?

Thanks Scoey your are quite right.

Internet sales have doubled in the last 48 hours.

Try Googleing me Derek Bester and see...

I now have almost 3 pages. (WOW !)

A BIG THANK YOU to all who responded.

Kind Regards Derek Bester.

>>>Internet sales have doubled in the last 48 hours.

What you sold 2 items?? ROTFLMAO
Was it an ARB Bar and ARB recovery kit?

I must admit when searching for 4wd accessories on google, I'd search for your name personally not a company name..

YMWVYAF.

Todays metaphors are:

_______ pounced on the customer, like:

1) a fly to an open wound
2) a leach to an exposed ankle
3) a rabid dog on a pet rabbit

The point is clear, I will take my leave

Rev

'there's a brazillion systems out there that show it works!'

That must be a lot Collyn. I had a girl friend once who told me she had a brazillian. I figured she was too rich for me and moved on!

Collyn, I agree, it's yet another of those myths that everyone keeps repeating as an obvious fact, even though they've never come across anyone who has tested it.

I've actually tested this by connecting a fully charged new AGM 90 Ahr battery to a fully discharged (to 10 volts) wet-cell starting battery. The MAXIMUM current that flowed for a few SECONDS was 32 amps, but reduced to 7 amps after 1 minute.

The total charge transferred from AGM to Wetcell was only 10.7 AHrs after being connected for 2 HOURS, this will not affect the AGM's starting ability !

The problem is that people think that connecting a full and an empty battery is like connecting a full and an empty bucket !. If the bucket analogy were true, then a half-full battery would show 6 volts !

Trying to charge a flat battery from a full battery is like charging a battery using a 12.4 volt charger - pretty useless.

Mike

Mike DiD

It's such an OLD myth too. A major problem in this area is that so much of this has been known and quantified for at least 100 years. Yet much of the battery stuff that people argue about on this forum can be found in any basic battery text book from (certainly) 1905 onward.

Further, argue about things they can so readily check themselves. Or use simple logic to work out for themselves.

Time and again one finds people disputing my statement that a typical 4WD engine needs only a Ah or two to start it (a few watt/hours).

If it otherwise noone except a circus strongman could possibly have hand started a car in the vintage era - yet to do so was a breeze.

The scene reminds me of meetings of The Royal Society in (I think) the very late 1700s - where meeting after meeting of this learned scientific community was devoted to whether or not the water level in a bowl rose if one placed a gold fish in it. The king finally had enough - and brought in one goldfish and one bowl of water.

Mike DiD: Would you please email me privately - I have mislaid your email address and would like to have brief email exchange.
Collyn Rivers