Getting stuff made

Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 02:14
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I'm beginning to think I'm asking for something difficult....

I've rung sheet metal workers, boiler makers, metal fabricators, vehicle fabricators, welders, and a firm that makes explosives containers (but that one was a wrong number...)
I only found one company that would take on the job and they had a 3 week waiting period!!!

All I want is someone to bend up a new bash plate for me. I can show them a diagram of a well designed one thats 90% of what I want it to be like. It can be steel (3mm enough) or Aluminium (5mm enough?). I can even cope if its angular bends rather than smooth curves (though I'd prefer curves).

I've rung over a dozen place so far but I just can't find someone in Perth (preferably south) that wants the job (and who doesn't want me to wait a few weeks for it - and then probably charge me several hundred bucks for it!)

Anyone know of somewhere I can try?
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Reply By: Mike DiD - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:53

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:53
I found the same thing many years ago in Sydney when I wanted to get an Aerial Bracket made up. They have plenty of hiigh quantity work these days, so they're not interested in one-offs.

The things that I found would help were -

1. Make it ckear it will be cash on pickup.

2. Get the metal sheet from a scrap-metal dealer and mark it up with cuts and folds.

Mike
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Reply By: russ36 - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 05:04

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 05:04
the suggestion of getting material from a scrap metal yard and marking it out for them makes me think you may be able to do the whole job yourself? slightly scoring the inside of the bends with a steel cutting disc makes the folding so much easier and more accurate
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Reply By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 06:32

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 06:32
Sounds like same old thing I wanted it yesterday and its going to cost me somthing.
I get the same call every second day.

All the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: t0me (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 11:09

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 11:09
whinge whinge whinge...

Actually I never mentioned when I wanted it, and the conversations never got to "how much" coz nobody wanted to do the job.

Only one place said they could/would do it, and I know from previous quotes for other work that they are bloody expensive (their work is good though by all accounts, just expensive, and a long waiting period).
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Follow Up By: V8troopie - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 16:15

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 16:15
Maybe you could try the approach I take when I wanted something fabricated.
I have reasonable skills but often lack certain equipment to complete the job.
So I buy the raw stock, mark out & cut where required ( a jig saw will cut alu plate) and go to a place with a bending machine. Allbend Engineering in Osborne Park bent threadplate for me to make running board water tanks. Costs were reasonable.

Or try Custom Aluminium in Sundercombe street, Craig the manager was very helpful when I turned up with a complicated alu job for my boat to be welded. I did jig it all up so all it required was the actual welding.
I think if they see you made some effort towards the end result you are more likely to get the rest done. Just handing over a drawing and specs makes it too easy to bury that in the the pile of paperwork amongst the other jobs to be done .

Try to make the job as easy as possible, while a rounded bend might look nice it most likely could be just as functional to have two 45 deg bends or similar. If it is easy enough they often sneak it in between big jobs, if it takes a lot of setting up and stuffing around then the big jobs pay better anyway for their time.
Klaus
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Follow Up By: t0me (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 16:47

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 16:47
Good tip Klaus, I'll have a go at it. Next problem, where do I get a reasonable sized sheet of 5mm Aluminium? Bunnings?
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Reply By: Alan S (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 10:37

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 10:37
tOme

Try some one who specialises or does a lot of work for MOtor Racing, such as speedway. These guys are used to making odd stuff.

As far as price and time goes, here in Perth every decent workshop has a lot of work. If they arn't busy they arn't good. With price most trademans etc will charge $50 per hour easy, 1/2 days work is $200 so it doesn't take long to add up to a lot of money.

Alan
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Reply By: Member - Andrew W (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 11:07

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 11:07
Hi tOme,

For people in Adelaide, I get my brackets and odd thingies made up by "Metal Fabricators" in Edwardstown in Adelaide - tell them Andrew from [insert my business name] sent you - I know it's not much use to you t0me, but I think you should just keep trying until you find the right place.

I generally find that they charge $30 to scratch themselves (fair enough) and about $50 per hour - I'm prepared to pay that. Everything comes out exactly as I specify it. Most of my stuff has minimal material, but you would need to factor something in. When it comes to the real little jobs, they end up doing it for nothing - the relationship is worth a lot to me.

They are not into cash deals - they only do GST incl (which is fine by me anyway as it's for the busienss), but are flexible, understanding and provide great quality work.

Ciao for now
Andrew.
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Reply By: Member - Paul J (ACT) - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 11:38

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 11:38
If you havent already, try Mitchell Industries, or A D Coote, dont know the numbers, but they are in Welshpool.
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Follow Up By: t0me (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 16:48

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 16:48
Thanks Paul, I'll hunt them down and give them a call.
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Reply By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 12:35

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 12:35
try a supplier of steel products....a lot of these places have sheet metal folders, guilotines, and rollers etc.....
or
go to a airconditioning sheet metal shop give them a sketch with dimensions and call it "pipe flashing" to meet off shore oil rig specs!
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Reply By: Member - MrBitchi (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 16:21

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 16:21
I went to a Trailer manufacturer, same place as made my trailer. No problems at all.
Only cost about $50 for a basic plate with 2 x 45 degree bends and a few holes.
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Follow Up By: t0me (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 16:50

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 16:50
Cool, gives me some options for places to try.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 16:33

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 16:33
A WHOLE 3 WEEK WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

MY GOD WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SURVIVE THE MASSIVE WAITING PERIOD????????????
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Follow Up By: t0me (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 16:45

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 16:45
A typical Truckster reply.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 00:02

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 00:02
Whats wrong with it ? Sorry... its logical.

As others have said, if there arent many places round your way that do this bleep , then you will have to wait, then the 100 blokes behind you that have all also gone to the 4 places in yor area that do this work, will realise that ALL of the places only have 8 hours a day, and can only do so much..

if there was 1000 places in your area you would find it easier.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bware (Tweed Valley) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 02:24

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 02:24
Go Truckster, go! People should be put in their place when they place ignorant posts unworthy of your many years of wisdom. Make sure we instill fear of posting a question into all newcomers. Your vigilance is exceeded only by your intolerence of others; necessary attributes for the likes of NAZI SS for example...........
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Follow Up By: t0me (WA) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 11:10

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 11:10
Its cool Bware, you don't have to have been hanging around the forum for long to know Truckster rarely has anything helpful to add outright. You have to read between the lines with his posts and then sometimes, there's a little titbit of info you can use.

From what I've seen he's like a necessary evil. Sometimes it takes one of his useless comments to get people going to post something helpful.

;-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Bware (Tweed Valley) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 11:57

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 11:57
LOL!
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 18:55

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 18:55
Sorry if logic is beyond you.. It isnt very hard to understand for someone with an IQ of over 2,
- if theres only say 4 business in town that do that work chances are they would be busy - with it so far?

- if you were in a major city with twice as many shops doing that amount of work they wouldnt be as busy - with it so far?? Thats it! Simple eh! Well for some it would be.

Maybe if you hold hands you could get over this hurdle. Maybe not though.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bware (Tweed Valley) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 19:33

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 19:33
Whatever mate. tOme said he was in Perth, not whoop whoop, and that he had rang around a fair bit.
I know a good therapist to help you get over your attitude problems :)
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Follow Up By: Member - Bware (Tweed Valley) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 19:42

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 19:42
By the way, your theory only holds water if the population was the same in the town and the city. Maybe you should think before you type......
Sorry if logic is beyond you.. It isnt very hard to understand for someone with an IQ of over 2,
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Follow Up By: t0me (WA) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 21:08

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 21:08
Do you find people looking away when you talk to them Truckster?

I want thankyou for taking the time to offer your advice. I know you must only be trying to help. I wouldn't want to imagine what kind of life you would have if you always went out of your way to hang bleep on people, find fault and critisize.

You really don't need to get so worked up all the time.
It can't be good for your blood pressure.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 23:00

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 23:00
Bware - if your an example of the therapists work, no thanks.

T0me... Nope people dont look away at all, infact 200 odd people listened to my every word at our club meeting tonight, nobody had a problem or looked away.

Worked up LMAO! you dont know me very well.. take more than this place to get me going.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bware (Tweed Valley) - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 12:19

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 12:19
Truckster, if one of your 200+ audience asks a question do you SHOUT AT THEM and tell them " It isnt very hard to understand for someone with an IQ of over 2" ? Or is this a side of you that you reserve just for us lucky people ?
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 23:25

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 23:25
Actually yes I did stand up and shout at them before going up to the front to the speaker. My public speaking days are over..
The largest audience I ever spoke to was 3000 Fire Fighters up at a Conference in Port Macquarie back in mid 1990s.

And would I yell that to them, bleep in oath... You dont know me very well at all...
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Follow Up By: Member - Bware (Tweed Valley) - Friday, Mar 03, 2006 at 02:43

Friday, Mar 03, 2006 at 02:43
Nor you, me.
Fine, You do yell at people. But maybe that suited the position you held or hold or whatever; that doesn't make it appropriate here.
The original post is a question, then there's some information and then it ends with another question. This is the sort of thing this site is for. Take a look at your initial response compared to reply 13 of 16, Answer ID 157719 and tOme's reply. Have you even read all of the replies to see how people try to answer his question? Do you see that the way you respond is just so unnecessary?
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Follow Up By: t0me (WA) - Friday, Mar 03, 2006 at 02:57

Friday, Mar 03, 2006 at 02:57
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Follow Up By: t0me (WA) - Friday, Mar 03, 2006 at 02:58

Friday, Mar 03, 2006 at 02:58
soapbox

Going out of your way to be kind and help your fellow man pays dividents in having a more peaceful existance. Treating others as you would like to be treated is honorable. What goes around comes around. Call it what you will, some call it karma, but it seems that on the whole if you try to do good then good comes of it.

Speaking up when something's wrong is good. You have an obligation to point out wrong when you see it and right the wongs you can in your life. Attacking without good purpose is not acceptable social behaviour. That goes for anything from verbal abuse to blowing up somebodies embasy.

/soapbox
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Follow Up By: Member - Bware (Tweed Valley) - Friday, Mar 03, 2006 at 03:47

Friday, Mar 03, 2006 at 03:47
tOme, I think there is possibly a brick wall in the vicinity of our foreheads....
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 17:52

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 17:52
Why should i give a bleep how others answer questions, Im not them.

FFS theres some twonks on this board these days.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bware (Tweed Valley) - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 20:05

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 20:05
Hopefully the twonks will outway the @rseholes.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 01:52

Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 01:52
well your 2 for 2 so far.
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Reply By: Old Scalyback & denny - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 17:04

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 17:04
you could become 1 of our custumers
if your not prepared to suit our times and dates go to the bottom of the hat and wait again

steve

busy electrician

ps did you ave a cashy under anybodies nose
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Follow Up By: t0me (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 17:50

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 17:50
Uh? You've lost me Scaly. You're an electrician, you're in Victoria, you're mixing metaphor's... I don't follow your meaning.

Did I wave cash under anyone's noses, um no. I rang around rather than drive around. I tried to get some clue's as to who would be prepared to do the work before I went and talked to a few of them in person. I tried to narrow it down to who might even be the right people to talk to (sheet metal workers? vehicle fabricators? boiler makers? trailer makers? engineer's?)

For some stupid reason I thought there would be a few places that would be happy to do this sort of thing, and who might even do it on a regular basis.
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Follow Up By: Old Scalyback & denny - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 21:41

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 21:41
what i was trying to get at is most good tradesman are flatout but sometimes if you offer cash you can sometimes get jobs done while you wait
we are that busy that if a customer cant fit in to our time schedule he generally moves down the list while we look after our regulars

steve
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Reply By: Mike DiD - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 22:09

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 22:09
Another problem facing thos eof us who want a quick, cheap bending job done is that the simple Panbrake is disappearing to be replaced by teh computerised bending machine.

It can do just about anything, but only after they've set up the appropriate dies and programmed all the details.

I have done my own bending - get some heavy angle iron placed under the bend, then use a bolster and hammer along the top of the bend.

Alternatively use the 1 tonne press you have already - place angle iron on the ground, the metal on top, a steel bar on top, your hydraulic jack on that. Put it all under the vehicle and start jacking.

Mike
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Follow Up By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Friday, Mar 03, 2006 at 07:59

Friday, Mar 03, 2006 at 07:59
Now there is an Idea I hadn't thought of before!

Thanks Mike, its snippets like this that keep me coming back here.

Cheers

Pete
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Reply By: Eric Experience. - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 22:14

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 22:14
TOme.
I could fold it for you but am in vic, when i was making a bash plate out in the desert during a race I used the bucket on a bobcat to fold the plate, it came out with very smooth curves so if you have a mate with a bobcat with a 4 in one bucket your set.
Eric
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Reply By: awill4x4 - Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 23:49

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006 at 23:49
As a tradesman boilermaker/specialist Tig welder working in the motorsports industry here in Victoria I can sympathise with the workshops. We get these sort of enquiries all the time and inevitably the 1st thing that people say "it'll only take 5 minutes". Unfortunately, it never happens that way. Assuming a guard or bash plate with dimensions around 900mm X 900mm of 5mm aluminium then there's about $80+ in material straight away. You may show them a diagram of the "well designed" one you like but there's no accurate dimensions to work with so it all has to be measured up on the car or copy the original one on the car already. This all takes time and it's amazing just how much time it takes. The jobs a "one off" so you know you'll never make another one and it's nearly impossible to put a price on it without actually building it in the 1st place and pricing it on hours on the job. If you tell the customer it could take a 5 or 6 hours to build @ $60 per hour plus material suddenly you're looking at $300 - $360 plus material plus GST.
These jobs are never as easy as they look, I know, I do this stuff for a living working in aluminium, stainless and Chrome/Moly every day.
There's no point criticising the workshops, we all know there's no free lunch out there and often it's better to say "sorry mate, we're just too busy" and most of us are too busy. These sorts of jobs we'll try and fit in if we can at times but it's always without interrupting our regular bread and butter work and if the customer can't or won't wait we're sorry but that's the best we can do.
Regards Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 00:00

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 00:00
*applause*

Grovel brown nose love ya work....
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Follow Up By: t0me (WA) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 01:36

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 01:36
Yup I get that, and I understand. Thankyou Andrew for taking the time, mate I've learned something about how it works.

So maybe if I try another approach, maybe you, or someone you know can take a look at this and let me know if they can make a bashplate for a Series 1 Delica Spacegear. It shouldlook goodand be pretty much of these dimensions:



However at the 583mm mark it should be split into two bits instead of one. For maintenance we'd want to get into the right half which would be under the engine. Ideally there would be minimal edges raised between the two bits to avoid catching on things.

I'd prefer if it was Aluminium so I could make any small adjustments with a jigsaw or hammer.

How thick should it be?

How much would it cost?

Do you know someone specific who could take a look at the diagram and give me a quote for it to be in front of me here in WA so I could bolt it on.

Now what if I could find another 9 people in WA who wanted one how much would it be then?

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Follow Up By: t0me (WA) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 01:38

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 01:38
Trying again with the picture

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Follow Up By: t0me (WA) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 01:40

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 01:40
Thankyou to Ajwhite2 for the picture.
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 00:59

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 00:59
try Lone Wolf he a shet metal worker

Richard
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Reply By: t0me (WA) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 01:51

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 01:51
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew W (SA) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 20:36

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 20:36
Hiya t0me

I'd be struggling to know for sure what you intend with this.

You probably need to show where the folds would be and name them all - eg. A-A', B-B' etc.

Each part of the diagram needs to have those names marked in the appropriate places.

I can't understand the side profile at the bottom - how can the RH edge be "290" (presumably high) and at the next marked bend to it's left "30"? Doesn't look right or is ambiguous.

Also, the 4 holes shown at the right do not have locations in one of their dimensions from what I can ascertain.

Also it is hard to ascertain how you want the tabs to fold up. Do you want them to interconnect and/or be welded together - you would need to show how. Assuming the centre holes are bolt holes and that they need to bolt onto something, then you need to specify the location in the up-down dimension too.

If you have something that is a template (the OEM one), you will find it a lot easier to get someone to build it.

Ciao for now
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew W (SA) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 20:37

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 20:37
have you tried the Delica clubs online - they seem to be a pretty active bunch.
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Follow Up By: t0me (WA) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 21:00

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 21:00
Yeah we are mate :-)
Thought I'd throw the problem to a bigger audience. Quite a few of us are having problems finding someone to make a decent bashplate for us here in WA without having to send away to the eastern states for them (and cop the shipping costs).

I can take the original ones off and leave them with someone who was willing to do the work. I didn't write up the diagram and its far beyond what I'd be capable of drawing up, so I thought it was all that would be needed. I'm learning though :-)
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Follow Up By: t0me (WA) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 21:24

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 21:24
I think in the profile picture he made the measurements from the ground to the bash plate after he'd fitted it. (could be wrong).
I'd have to dig out some old maths books on sin/cos/tan and pythagorus theory to try and work out the exact angles :-) I seem to remember that If I have 2 sides lengths I can work out the third, and with 3 side lengths you can work out the angles. I've not done it since high school which was a loooooooong time ago. I'm a computer nerd, never found much use for trig.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Friday, Mar 03, 2006 at 00:42

Friday, Mar 03, 2006 at 00:42
give me a call on 0408925606
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Friday, Mar 03, 2006 at 00:42

Friday, Mar 03, 2006 at 00:42
give me a call on 0408925606
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