Attaching Downpipe to roof racks (tent poles)

Submitted: Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 13:07
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Hi

Have put my tent poles into some downpipe and screwed on the lids.

Now to put them on the roof racks.

Am after cheap secure suggestions. I thought about screwing them on with their clamps but thought that might bugger the integrity of my not so expensive roof racks, btu maybe not.

Thought maybe i can just tie them down with a good motorcycle tie down strap. But i guess this ain't a long term solution along corrugated roads.

Thanks in anticipation of your replies.

porl
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Reply By: bernie1 - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 13:21

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 13:21
Hi Porl, Rhino have a alumunium bracket to suit 100mm pvc pipe. They come in a 2 or 3 pkt about $40.00.
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Follow Up By: Wizard1 - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 13:25

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 13:25
They aren't much use without a Rhino rack though....I've looked at them and they are not versatile enough to attach to another type of roof rack.
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 15:29

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 15:29
Used the same system and bought a length of rhino bar to fix them to my rack. The brackets are good and reliable. I have used some cheaper plumbing type brackets that broke and spilled my rods along the Cape Tribulation track.

Kind regards
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Follow Up By: Wizard1 - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 16:57

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 16:57
I have an ARB rack and couldn't fit one although I wanted to. I'll just have to make one...
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Follow Up By: BorisK - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 17:22

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 17:22
Wizard1 my Prado has ARB racks 1000x1100 and I have attached brackets which ARB Geelong also has, to the plates on the side of the racks. Just needed to drill 2 holes per bracket but still havent got around to rust proofing the holes, better do that soon. Dont remember what the brackets are called. I carry rods or tent poles in a 2.4m 100mm pipe.
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 13:28

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 13:28
What sort of roof racks do you have? I've got the 'Sports Bar' type with the groove down the middle. I made my own brackets for that.

Describe (or give me a link to) your racks and I'll see what I can think of.
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Follow Up By: porl - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 13:55

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 13:55
My racks are the $100 jobs from Supercheap. They are dead square i think (not in front of me) no grooves.

maybe as per below i just screw them on and hope for the best. If they fail then time to upgrade my roof racks i spose.

I notice tradesmen have the roof racks and connections you guys are talking about.
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Reply By: spliney - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 13:52

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 13:52
Porl

I made two pole storage cylinders from 150mm pipe and made up brackets using the perforated gal ribbon that you see used as bracing in sheds - can't bring to mind the correct term.

I bolted them to the outside of the ally roof-rack on my 100 series LC. Did the job for 4 years until I bought a CT.

Spliney
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Follow Up By: Twinkles - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 17:07

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 17:07
I put some extra tent poles on my CT rack in 4" pvc pipe with srew on caps. Used the bracing strap with tech screws. Takes rough terrain ok. Must admit I lost some poles once when going down Billy Goat Bluff track in dark cos it was pretty rough and they slapped side to side and broke throught the screw on caps. Solved this by stuffing bit of towelling in tight to stop movement.
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Reply By: Laura B - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:05

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:05
did home job the other week....just made our own clamp type of thing that can fully come off so no horrid bits stick out...just use a long bolt type of thing to do it up really tight...will ask hubby how he did it and will let ya know if this idea helps.....we use a 200mm?? plumbers pipe for our poles etc.....

Laura B
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Follow Up By: porl - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:14

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:14
Yup, the 200mm plumbers pipe is exactly what i got.

Lookin forward to your answer.

P
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Follow Up By: Laura B - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:31

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:31
got some marine ply timber 2.5cm thick,cut rectangle out of it to size you need for the pipe then cut out an arc that the tube will fit in...do this 2 times...made metal hook screwed them on to timber so that you can hook it straight up to the roof rack , then steel strapping 2cm wide from building supply was instead of using clamps, steel rod had a hole drilled in it with a thread put in so that the screw could go in....the strap had to be long enough so that it could be wrapped around the tube and the side part of the roof rack....the screw could also be a furniture screw.....

go into my rig and get my email addy so i can send some photos to ya...hubby taping photos now.....hope this helps sp far....
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Follow Up By: porl - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:36

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:36
thanks heaps laura, unfortunately only members can email from profiles and i am not one, yet, but thanks for the detailed description i will have a go.

if you want to email them to me pls send to myredcar@hotmail.com

thanks heaps
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Follow Up By: Laura B - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:46

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:46
thats ok...anything that will help......it basically looks like a big loop with a screw holding the ends together.....use a flat head nail intead of pop rivits cut off the nail end - not the head then belt it with a hammer..and it should flatten out....use galvanised or stainless steel so it doesnt rust.....hope this extra helps!!

Laura B
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:23

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:23
"200mm plumbers pipe"

Mate! that is 8in in diameter.

How many and what sort of poles are you looking to store.??????????????????(must be big suckers)(and lots of them)

The 'usual' size (admittedly not the only size) is 100mm ie 4inches, which can be secured/fixed on by a 6inch radiator hose type clamp.

Where would you buy such and animal - easy, in the plumbing section of Bunnings or a plumbing store.

PS

For the member above who described 'continuos metal strip with holes' - these days it is known as 'hoop iron'.

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Follow Up By: porl - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:26

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:26
Yeah i know it is huge but i figured better bigger than fraction too small. I have tossed in poles for a big tarp for beach camping. Doesn't take up all the room but a fair bit.
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Follow Up By: Laura B - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:33

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:33
it is big..we got it too but everything fits...if we got the small one all of the poles for the tarp wouldnt have fitted either....when nathan brought it out to me at the shop i nearly bleep myself cos it was so big...but any smaller and it wouldnt have worked...

Laura B
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Reply By: Nebster - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:24

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 14:24
Hi

If its only a short term thing, Ive seen 100mph tape used successfully on some pretty rough roads, when you get home just cut it off.

2 birds with one stone, practice your first aid and attach your tube ;)

Cheers
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Reply By: Kiwi Kia - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 15:10

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 15:10
A couple of velcro straps are great for keeping poles together inside that big fat pipe.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew W (SA) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 15:16

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 15:16
what aren't a coupla velcro straps handy for!

Ciao for now,
Andrew who has vecro straps everywhere.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 17:18

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 17:18
Andrew !!! This is a family forum :)))))))
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Reply By: BorisK - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 15:19

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 15:19
Hi any 4wd store should have the brackets for the 100 mm pipes. I got mine at tjm for $28 a pair. Two bolts hold each bracket to the rack. I would also like to share with you in case you are not aware of it that overloading your tube with poles is dangerous. Being a plasterer I carry external angles and straightedges (yes some of us do use them) in the tubes. When I had to stop in a hurry the externals broke through the end cap and flew javelin like across the intersection and just missed some school kids waiting to cross. Now I make sure the tube is a maximum 10mm longer than the externals and straightedges inside it so if I stop in a hurry they dont build up enough energy/speed in the tube to break through the end. I also stick with tubes no bigger than 150mm so as not to overload them.
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Follow Up By: porl - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 15:24

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 15:24
OK BorisK, very good points. I imagine a big drop or a big bump could well build up the same pressure as a sudden stop. Will take that issue into account. Not much of a system if i get to a site without the poles in a tube, let alone having impaled people on the way.
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 15:49

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 15:49
Some good points made already. For a while I carried my tent poles in 2 x 100mm sewer pipes. The pipes were just the right length to avoid the 'javelin effect'. I reckon 2@100 is better than 1@200, but that is just an opinion. Point load, strength required for barackets, wind resistance etc.

To make your own brackets. Use U bolts that fit tight around the roof racks. Get some 2mm steel or aluminium to make a cap across the top of the U bolt, obviously 2 holes for the bolt ends to go through. Or buy U bolts with the cap supplied.

Use hoop iron or 2mm aluminium strapping for the brackets. Bend around the pipe and slip each end under the cap for the U bolt. The bracket is now wedged between the roof rack bar and the U bolt cap. Follow.

For extra strength, bend the bracket back over the U bolt cap and pop rivet it back on itself.

This is a variation on how I made mine (which suit the sports bar style bars).

I've since changed and have built a narrow section into the side of one of my rear roller drawers to take my poles. Surprising how little space a dozen poles takes when packed right. But I have a dual cab ute, so had the length to do it.

I still carry two pipes on the roof racks. One is for fishing rods, the other is for a home made roll out awning.
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Reply By: bernie1 - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 17:14

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 17:14
Porl, You don't need a rhino bar to fit their brackets. I bolted them to my home made rack.
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Reply By: S&N - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 19:09

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 19:09
just a small point, DONT listen to any crap about using tape or any ting of that strength. if you need to drill through your $100 racks, then drill. if you need to bolt them as well, then do it!!!!!

imagine the look on your face, the feeling in your gut, and the ache in your soul, when you get up each morning, look in the mirror and think to yourself......"If i had secured it properly, or got the proper racks, maby it wouldnt have become a missile and killed that man/woman/child". do yourself and everyone else on the road a favor, and do it right the first time.

P.S. if you use the BIGGER IS BETTER method of chooseing pipe, remember.....the more space inside the pipe, the more likely you are to put just that "little bit" more inside, which will mean on heavy brakeing/accident you will need stronger brackets.

if its a cost problem, christ......give me a bell, im a plumber, and i will GIVE you some 100mm pipe, for the piece of mind that the car behind me/my wife/my loved ones & friends, doesnt have a potential missile on top!!!!!

sorry to grouch everyone!!!!!!!

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Follow Up By: Member - Crazie (VIC) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 20:43

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 20:43
I am building a new house, please put me down for about 300m of 100mm pipe.

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Follow Up By: porl - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 22:08

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 22:08
hey S&N if you're a plumber then this stuff is your trade so i'll take your advice and keep the 200ml for home storage of stuff and go pick up some 100ml, 2 if i need it.

porl
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Reply By: Russel & Mary - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 20:03

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 20:03
Dear porl,

Get some large hose clamps, you know the ones that hold your radiator hoses on,the longer the better and if they are the same brand, you can join them together to make whatever length you like.

Don't buy cheap ones; try and get TRIDON. Rus.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ivan (ACT) - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 21:19

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 21:19
I've got some heavy duty ones - not sure of brand - need a 14mm socket to do them up - they look like stainless - as strong as you would ever need - no movement whatsoever
Cheers,

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Follow Up By: Richard - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 15:57

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 15:57
I have used large stainless steele hose clamps. Done plenty of outback travell with no dramas.
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 23:33

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 23:33
Hey guys, there are good heavy stainless hose clamps made for irrigation pipes taking pressures of 120-150 psi holding together 100 - and up over 170mm pipes with a bolt to clamp the pipe. If you are in the country, many plumbers or irrigation suppliers will have them or plumbing wholesalers too possibly round the city.

There is plenty of 170mm waste water pipe available too if you want to use a larger size than 100 with scewable caps and the like and clamps to fit too.
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Reply By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 09:07

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 09:07
On our work trucks we just drilled straight through the pipe and racks and used threaded rod with nylock nuts and some curved aluminum plates made from scrap to stop the nuts pulling through the PVC. (We also put aluminum plates in the end caps to reinforce them. If all you are storing is poles the rod through the tube doesn't take up much extra space.

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Reply By: Laura B - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 22:55

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 22:55
did you get the photos???hope they helped a little

laura b
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