Speed Camera NSW

Submitted: Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 14:31
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If one is naughty, and one gets detected speeding in a Fixed Speed Camera zone- does one get detected 'approaching' the camera or 'departing' the camera??
In other words, does one get the front or back of one's vehicle photographed??
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Reply By: Redback - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 14:38

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 14:38
Departure only, otherwise motorbikes would only get booked on departure and never on approach, as they don't have a front number plate.

Baz.
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Reply By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 14:40

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 14:40
What was your speed signman and in what zone?
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Follow Up By: signman - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 14:59

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 14:59
No NO NO not me...
A mate has got a 'bluey' thru the mail with the time and date of the alleged offence. He hasn't got the picture yet- coz believe it or not you have to PAY for the picture.
Anyhow, the interesting side of the story, he happened to have his GPS on and still had the track log stored. At the time on the bluey- his GPS track indicated he was about 20kms away from the camera. I understand the track log cannot be altered??
I wonder if GPS time is more accurate than Speed Camera time???
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Follow Up By: V8troopie - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 15:35

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 15:35
Pay for the pic? Maybe only in NSW.
Here in the west I had the option to visit the traffic office and look at the pic on a TV screen, cost was nil. It was a few years ago though and they only took front pics - still do AFAIK.
No, it wasn't me on the pic, I drove a loan car at that time and the garage blamed me for the ticket. Luckily the pic showed clearly it was the car's owner driving. He had to swallow some humble pie served from me ;-)
Klaus
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Follow Up By: Browser - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 15:50

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 15:50
Victoria is the same as the West. You can visit the traffic infringement office and view the picture for free but if you want them to mail it to you then you have to pay.
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Follow Up By: SteveL - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 17:28

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 17:28
The time on GPS is very accurate.
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Follow Up By: the outlaws - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 19:05

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 19:05
20 klms away at the time the pic was taken fwaaaaaa he must have been flying he will lose his license for sure :-)
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Follow Up By: Joe King - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 19:14

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 19:14
GPS has the "Atomic Clock" time by which all time in the world is governed, Australia EST is +10 hours Atomic Clock Time...
GPS tracks can be altered..
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Follow Up By: Joe King - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 19:19

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 19:19
you cannot alter the Raw file that is on the card, once you download it, you can alter it..
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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 13:02

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 13:02
Of course they only have his word that the GPS was travelling in his car at the time of the offence. Could have been lent to a mate who happened to be driving 20kms away at the time of the offence..........
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Reply By: brian - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 15:17

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 15:17
If its departure only what happens with a van etc on the back...We have a policeman that sets up a mobile camara up outside our office he claims his camera picks up both approach and departure...havent been game to put it to the test......
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Follow Up By: Jarse - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 15:57

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 15:57
Yeah Brian, it's a mix of front and back pix, depending on the locality. There doesn't seem to be any pattern to it, however.

Thats why they're trying to force front numberplates back onto bikes in several states.
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 17:33

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 17:33
Jarse ,you will find that front no plates not comming back for m/cycles ,Aust adr wont allow them .Our "mate " H.Scrubby would then be forced to treat m/cycles with a front no plate as the same as a 4x4 with a b/bar.
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Follow Up By: Jarse - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 21:00

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 21:00
Alloy, we can only hope.....I never thought I'd write this...but as a motorcyclist, does that make Scruby my friend and advocate???

CRIKEY!!
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 15:27

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 15:27
Don't know if it is true or not but I have heard of a guy submitting his GPS Track Log as defence in a case like this and getting off.

Could well be worth a try. Does the GPS log show him as speeding at the point where the camera is cause that is the other consideration.

Under those circumstances I reckon I would pay for the pic and, if there is any doubt as to validity I would appeal.

Duncs
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Reply By: Raymond from Wanderin 4 Wheelers - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 16:18

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 16:18
One of the reasons for taking the back of the vehicle and also for not sending the photo was that the expense of the fine was nothing compared to the divorce settlement when the wife opened the letter and saw hubby with the mistress
Ray
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Reply By: Member - MrBitchi (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 16:34

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 16:34
In QLD they photograph the front only. Big stink a while back about bikies hooning in front of cameras, knowing they can't get caught......
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Reply By: terryo - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 18:52

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 18:52
I could be wrong but I did read once that in NSW they only photograph from the rear because it is an invasion of privacy for them to photograph from the front as they may get the face of passenger and driver which may lead, sometimes to situations as mentioned above.
Some one must know for sure or have enough points to try it out.

Terry
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Reply By: rocketsalad - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 18:56

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 18:56
Im in Qld and ive had a pic taken from behind.
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Follow Up By: Joe King - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 19:22

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 19:22
Me too, at the capital of Queenland speeding fines, Warrick...., Nice Photo of my 80 though, wanna be for the price lol
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Follow Up By: Member - Ross H (QLD) - Friday, Mar 03, 2006 at 00:32

Friday, Mar 03, 2006 at 00:32
It would be nice that big flash going off in your face at night just before you wrap your fourby around the nearest light pole.
I was under the impression it was the rear because of the flash
maybe maybe not...
regards ross
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Reply By: Boo - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 18:59

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 18:59
Hi All,

I would suggest suggest at least making a phone call to the office and asking a few questions about the picture before going to the expense of paying for it, we received a fine in the mail for a speeding infringement from a camera located on the opposite side of Canberra to where we live. Because we hadn't been over that side of Canberra much in recent times we called them up to obtain a copy of the photo, however after speaking with the lady about the photo she couldn't make out the license number from the photo. Apparently because it was a dark coloured falcon sedan and the first three letters were visible they did a computer search and ours was the first registered car that came up so they sent the fine to us. As it happened the photo was taken at something like 2am on a week night, which meant it definately wasn't us and as soon as we said they had made a mistake the lady said not to worry about it she would cancel the fine and we would receive confirmation in the mail shortly, which we did.

When we questioned her about it further, she informed us that they would just do another search and send it to the next on the list, I assume this would continue until such time as someone just paid it without question.

If it had been a camera on our side of Canberra then we wouldn't have given it a second thought and just paid it.

How many other people are paying fines that aren't theres I wonder?

Anyway just my suggestion, don't just pay without first checking it.

Kerrie.
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Follow Up By: Joe King - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 19:32

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 19:32
I got a photo in the mail of a cruiser ute (I didn't own one at the time), the number plate was 1 number different to my wagon, but get this, the fine said "Landcruiser Wagon" which I do have, but the photo was taken of a 75 cruiser ute, on a weeknight in Boyne Island, I don't even know where that is, must be the same reason as above that I got the bill.
My wife took it to the Dept of Trans the next day & the sheila behind the counter said, "I suggest you don't pay this", there's a bit of free advice for ya ay, unbelieveable...
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Follow Up By: SteveL - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 19:52

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 19:52
Sounds like speed camera lotto ! Your number just gets pulled from a computer a you lose!
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 19:04

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 19:04
ROFLMAO

After reading Boo's post above can anyone now deny that the number one priority with these speed cameras is to raise revenue. They've got to be kidding.
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Reply By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 20:04

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 20:04
I know that in the NT they are taken from the front. Got a nice photo of the mighty 80 to prove. Still, $50 and no points, not bad.

My boss received a fine several years ago and questioned it because his car had been out of action after breaking down on the side of the road. He asked for the photo and got a good shot of his car....on the back of the tow truck!

George Orwell mighn't have been too far of the money, I find it pretty scary when the human element (and sensible judgement) get removed from law enforcement.

Makes you wonder where it will end up.

Matt
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Follow Up By: Joe King - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 21:46

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 21:46
Hey Matt, since when has there ever been any "Human" element in law enforcement LMFAOink!!!
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 20:12

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 20:12
Signman,
Good news
You can view the photo for free. The info is on the notice.
Bad news
I don"t think a GPS would be a good defence, how could you prove that the GPS was in the vehicle when the photo was taken. It could have been in my vehicle doing the speed limit at the time. I am not saying that is what happened but look at it from the other side. How can he prove that the GPS was in his vehicle.

Wayne
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Reply By: Philip A - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 20:45

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 20:45
In NSW the old film cameras only take from the rear and are only on one side of the road, as you can easily see from the strips,even though the signs are in both directions..
The new digital cameras take both sides of the road in most cases except when the road is wide, so obviously take coming and going.
The law was changed in Jan 2005 to allow front shots.
Funny the one on Spit hill is a new digital as the old cameras used to take the 30 year old Mercedes buses going uphill fully loaded in peak hour at 80-90 Kmh when 8 or 9Kmh was more accurate. It takes from the front and the RTA doesn't yet require motocycles to have front plates.YET.
Regards Philip A
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Reply By: Member - Jay Gee (WA) - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 20:47

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 20:47
In WA the photos are of the front. It is well publicised because the law here does not accept accept rear photos - hence motorcyles don't get caught. There has been a lot of press on it in papers and TV in recent years.
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Reply By: Laura B - Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 22:40

Thursday, Mar 02, 2006 at 22:40
did you hear the story of a woman and her husband driving oneday and they went through a camera that flashed them...after having an arguement about the speed the lady was driving at they decided to do a "u" turn and go a little slower this time....again the camera went off....again after another arguement they went through for a 3rd time even slower than the last, well under the limit and again the camera flashed....3 weeks later the lady recieved 3 fines for not wearing a seat belt that the camera had detected!!!

moral to the story......seat belts save lives ...speed camera's just slow people down for that split moment across the lines!!

they get us departing but some do still get us arriving!

Laura B
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