For all you mum's out there...

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Hi,

Got a little girl (7months) who has Eczema which isnt weepy but its red and dry etc and have to use cloth nappies as disposables give her really bad rash, and use Omo Sensative (because its the only washing detergent that doesnt flare the rashes up as much or at all).

My problem is that in Sept we are going N'T and outback Qld for 6 weeks and alot of the time we will be (only) 2-3 days away from civilisation -yay!!-but Im not sure of what nappies to use and what washing powder/liquid I'll need to use out there in the wide open spaces. I know that you can get the travellers squeeze pack of washing liquid from coles but it gives her cronic redness. In the towns like Alice,Mount Isa etc I'll be using the washing machines in the Caravan Parks.

Im only going to be packing a few days worth of clothes for each of us so I really need some advice on what to do, what to use and yeah...all of that stuff...
Any help would be great!!Should I pack heaps of clothes for Amy so that I can save all her washing until we get to town??

Laura B
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Reply By: glenno(qld) - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:20

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:20
Hi Laura,

Have you tried the Lux Soap flakes, they need to be dissolved in warm water but are quite good for sensitive skin, also Bobaby make washable and re-usable nappy liners that draw the wetness away from the skin and avoids rashes.

Barb
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Follow Up By: Laura B - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:29

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:29
No havent tried those...another one to put onthe list to try...does this get stains out or would i have to use Sards(like napisan just cheaper)?

I use chucks cloths in her nappies which help..

Laura B
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Follow Up By: Laura B - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:57

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:57
Forgot to ask - is that Lux soap flakes like Sunlight soap because that gives really bad rashes too!! Cannt use soap...

Laura B
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Follow Up By: glenno(qld) - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 22:01

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 22:01
hmmm I think it is like sunlight soap so that might cause a rash too.

Barb
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Reply By: Al & Mrs Al (Vic) - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:38

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:38
Laura

have you tried Earth Choice brand, I use this with my kids who are both prone to Ecezma, esp Callum, though at 4 he's well out of nappies YEAH...you don't need to use a lot just a little cap full is enough in a bucket and it gets their clothes reasonably clean and I normally do a propper wash of clothes when in civiliasation.

Another thing I used and still use is paw paw ointment on callum's skin - face, tummy, legs if he gets a flare up, it works really well, doesn't inflame his skin, heals it, and he doesn't complain about stinging.

hope this helps a bit

cheers

Lyn
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Follow Up By: Laura B - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:48

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:48
Thanks Lyn,

Never heard of Earth Choice - where do you buy that from?? I use Papaw on Amy too - after putting on the Egoderm cream - stops dribble getting on it!...do you use the Earth Choice for proper washes too?trying to find a good wash detergent too - Omo good but expensive

Laura B
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Follow Up By: Al & Mrs Al (Vic) - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 22:11

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 22:11
Hi Laura, i can get it at all supermarkets, coles, woolies, IGA, it's normally on the bottom shelf, skinny clear bottle, I use it at home too, and I use their dishwashing detergent as well, their wool wash is good too...[I should say I'm not getting a kickback from the company...LOL ]

cheers

Lyn
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Follow Up By: Laura B - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 22:14

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 22:14
fab!!i'll be on the look out for it on Monday.....thanks you so much!!!

Laura B
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Reply By: KARGAR - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:45

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:45
hi laura b My mother advised me when I had children that the secret to her success was a cream you can purchase from Mary Kay. My child was 10 weeks premature and I never ever had a problem with nappy rash or any other skin irritations. I have advised this cream for adults with eczema and they have thanked me for saving their skin irritations. It is a cream called "Extra Emollient Night Cream." It can be used on burns, sunburn, cuts and any skin irritations. It should be kept as a must for your first aid kit. I also used Lux Soap Flakes and that helped. Contact Mary Kay head office in Melbourne to find out who your local consultant is. A tube of cream will cost about $40 and will last for about 6 months. Goodluck there's nothing more heart breaking then a sick child. Karen King
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Follow Up By: Laura B - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:51

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:51
Never thought of using that!! I use their stuff for me - just not that stuff....I know how good the stuffis so yeah - its a must!!

Thanks a Squillion!!
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Reply By: russ36 - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:45

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:45
when i lived in the tropics i saw heaps of infants due to my widespread carpentry maintence work on housing commission homes . alot of the aboriginals just went naked . the airflow has got to be the best thing . to hell with the wingers complaing about naked kids and public breastfeeding, the comfort of the child is priority one
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Follow Up By: Laura B - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:56

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 21:56
Couldnt agree more hey! Try to have her in the sun for parts of day - or even just inside! Go the public breastfeeding!!!

One of my Hubbies friends was totally against public breastfeeding for no good reason i thought,mainly because it was "off-putting" and one night we went out to the pub for $8 steak and he didnt even noticed that I was feeding our eldest child that was 8 months old at the time...didnt believe Nathan when he told him - sorted him right out!!

Laura B
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Reply By: fnqcairns - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 22:44

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 22:44
There is every chance the problem will disappear within two weeks of leaving home and when all the traveling clothes/blankets/towels have been washed on the road at least once or twice.
Few people ever travel for long enough from home and to a different clime to see what a difference being away from their carpets, furnishings, local environmental allergens etc makes. The typically sick houses and lifestyle we live.

Also you can take this opportunity to change the active ingredient's (but still bring your old potions) to lesser ones ie unscented/non vit e, basic Sorbolene etc. So when in all hope you arrive home with a blotch free child and it flares up again you will be in a better position to further exclude. You have a unique opportunity that not many people today are equiped to experience.

We took our little girl down south to visit the grandparents for a week and bang! eczema.
Those down south houses can certainly be unhealthy, back home by plane and 3 days later eczema gone never to return -unless we do!. More than once we have had visitors form south who's children as if by miracle become no longer allergic until they make home again. 3 times so far. Up here we live on floorboards have very minor expanses of grass lands, no broad-acre farming and a house that suits the tropics ie always ventilated.

Just a thought,

cheers and enjoy the trip. FNQ

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Follow Up By: Laura B - Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 15:52

Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 15:52
if the problem is living "down south" then the family would have the problem. I do not have this "sick house and life style" you are talking about because firstly because its just plain not normal and secondly i have asthma.
(and thats not because i grew up in an "unhealthy" house)

are you really that up ya self just because you live FNQ??? what ever your problem is with "down south" sort it out and keep your opinions to yourself unless they are usefull

there are these so called "unhealthy" houses everywhere across this country and even this world,

your opinions are a digrace to this thread.....
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Reply By: BorisK - Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 23:14

Saturday, Mar 04, 2006 at 23:14
Hello, a company by the name of Melaleuca sells wellbeing products all over the world. If you do a search on the web you should be able to find there details in Australia. They have a product range and system to tackle eczema. The system/products cover everything that touchs there skin by washing all there bedsheets and clothes and using a few drops of their oil in the bath water.As you have probably guessed their products are based on the melaleuca tea tree oil. If you can get through all their complex over-marketing you may find an ally in the constant battle with the eczema. My daughter Kristina still gets it occasionally at almost 3 years of age. We have friends that dont use Melaleuca that spend a fortune on specialists advice and their overpriced creams and they are still constantly suffering. Most of their products are pretty good. Similar to Amway but they will tell you that they are nothing like them. We use the products without trying to sell them as I dont like people trying to sell me products when they are getting a cut. Good luck and as all the doctors say in the end, it will eventually disappear.
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Reply By: johannagoanna - Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 00:05

Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 00:05
Hi Laura, in reference to cloth nappies, we had the same problem with both of our children. We found when we were camping the only answer was to buy those really cheap flanalette (?spell) nappies, and cut then into about 6, and use them as liners in disposeable nappies. They were thick enough to excluded the irritation from the disposeable nappy, but thin enough that we were able to carry a reasonable supply of them, and also cheap enought that we could toss them.

A couple of other tips for you:

Use a bucket with a tight fitting lid, (tighter than a nappy bucket!), as a washing machine. Put all clothes, washing powder and water in the bucket in the morning. Drive all day on bad rough road, and the washing in done. You just need to rinse and hang out at camp that night!

We always wash our kids at night, put them in the next days clothes, and then put them to bed. This saves packing PJ's, and you don't have to muck around and dress them in the morning. Ours are bigger now, and we still do it, so that we can have a sleep in, and don't have to get up and get them dressed!

The kids have their sleeping bags in the car under their booster seats. Saves storage space, and is easily accessable if arriving at camp late at night!

I am sure that you will be able to give us heaps of hints too, when you get home!!!

Jo
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Reply By: Kiwi Kia - Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 07:26

Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 07:26
Hi, Worked in the soap factory many years ago and in those days Sunlight was actually a mixture that included a lot of the left-overs and off cuts from the fancy soaps.

My suggestions;

1. Rinse & rinse & rinse to make sure that there is no soap residue left in clothes after washing.

2. Sea water is a great healer of skin complaints, Let the kids (& adults) paddle and sit in it as often as you can.

3. Raw skin is VERY suseptable to bugs & fungus when in a sweaty climate. So just in case, see if you can get a tube of Resolve Plus 0.5 from your chemist. It is a pharmacy only medicine unfortunately not for use on children under two. Ask the pharmacy if there is an infant version.
It's great for both male & female itchie areas, athletes foot, tinea, eczema/dermatitus etc. I won't travel in humid climates without it (just in case). Nothing worse then getting a horrible itch in an awkward place when you are 'on the road'.
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Reply By: porl - Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 08:53

Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 08:53
Our 5c. Our lily is now 16 months.

1. we use borax and vinegar for the nappies instead of powder (which we use for ourselves).
2. we use during the day the re-useable ones with inserts (can make or buy or cut up a cloth nappy)
3. if any rash appears, and usually these days only if she fails to tell us she has done a poo and we don't notice, a hippy thing called "Lavender Balm" that, and i am a skeptic, takes any rash away before the next day without fail.

I think the combination of all the above led to Lily really never suffering any recurrent rash nappy rash problem.

Curious thing is Huggies don't work on lily because they end up releasing their gel crystals and we find them a pain to remove. Now this is weird because my brother and zillions of others use huggies so i think it must have something to do with perhaps the borax, dunno.

The downside to borax is of course it is poisonous in its raw form so if you are travelling you need to store it in a very safe place, but i suppose with an 8mth mainly just screw very tightly.

Mum and lily are still asleep but i'll run this past her when she wakes up.

And public breastfeeding, mum's a big fan.
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Follow Up By: Laura B - Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 16:09

Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 16:09
never heard of borax either...so many things i havent heard of!! what is it - is it like washing powder/liquid?

Lavender balm,sister bought some from local lavender farm, with pinch it next time im over there!

huggies never worked for eldest daughter - same thing - the gell fell apart inside it and went everywhere!!same with the "savings" brand.....

thanks, Laura B
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Follow Up By: porl - Monday, Mar 06, 2006 at 10:42

Monday, Mar 06, 2006 at 10:42
Borax is a cleaning agent that you can buy in Coles, it comes at our Coles in a round screw top container (about 10cm x 10cm), white with a red lid. We get it in the same ailse as the washing powders, next to ammonias etc.

To do the nappies we put a tablespoon in the front loader detergent compartment and half a cup or so of vinegar and at a 40C short cycle that does the job, even on the most pooiest ones.

Interesting about your huggies experience, we use a disposable at night time and just kept trying different brands. I don't even know what we use now.
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Reply By: Fone - Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 09:29

Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 09:29
HI Laura,

Poor baby, eczema is so horrible to have. I have it myself and it can be so painful.

I use cloth with my little one and we don't add any whiteners to our wash - just use the detergents and vinegar and let the sun do the rest.

Lux flakes are very different to other soaps. They are very gentle and generally the recommended thing for people with sensitive skin.

I love the idea of getting a really good waterproof bucket and washing that way, you could use your cloth nappies and just take a few disposables for emergencies. There are a few new disposables out that might be OK for her - i think i saw some in Woolies - organic or cotton based. Have a look.

As she will be over one when you go she can easily run around and have lots of no nappy time (Evie always saves a few nappies this way).

Have a great trip,
Fiona

Otherwise, do you use fleece liners in your cloths? If so take them with you and put them in the disposables, the fleece would be better than flannelette as it wicks away the moisture leaving a pretty dry bottom (flan is still cotton and while it would protect bum from nappy it won't keep it dry). You can easily store the dirty liners to wash when you are at a camp ground.

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Follow Up By: Laura B - Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 16:04

Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 16:04
what does the vinegar do?

our clthesline gets great ampunt of sun...put them out at 7am and bring them in mid arvo with the whole time with them in the sun.

had a look at those organic ones but cloths are cheaper use those ones for emergancies which isnt too often - got enough cloth ones to last 5 days with not doing washing!!

no nappy time is a must in our house!! its like sleep time - it happens whether you like it or not!! LOL !!

never seen these fleese liners, where do you get them from? just been using chux superwipe el'cheapo versions.....good for when she does poos!!

Laura B
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Follow Up By: Fone - Monday, Mar 06, 2006 at 16:06

Monday, Mar 06, 2006 at 16:06
Hi Laura,

The vinegar cuts through any urine leftovers and reduces the acid.

When you use your terry squares (or whatever type of cloth you use) if you put a fleece liner in it wicks away the wee and keeps bottom dryer, it is also ALOT easier to get poo off a liner than the cloth.

They are very easy to make - just get a 30cm-ish strip of fleece from spotlight and cut into strips - about 10 cm wide, that should give you 10 inserts.

Goodluck
Fiona
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Reply By: Member No 1- Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 15:40

Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 15:40
our kids didnt suffer with Eczema...maybe due to the following
with our first we noticed that the baby wipes gave he hell once they had nappy rash, so we stopped using..
at the slightest sign of redness we washed in warm water...no soaps or anything else
did this with other two and never had problems
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Follow Up By: Laura B - Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 15:58

Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 15:58
yeah, changed wipes - no difference...warm water - not hot....does help but not really - but it is better than hot water,not that it'd be hot anyway...

my eldest daughter never even got a red bottom - rarely used cream on her, no dribble rash - nothing - total opposite this time round!!

Laura B
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Reply By: ev700 - Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 21:55

Sunday, Mar 05, 2006 at 21:55
Eldest had slight eczema on face. Used pawpaw ointment.

For the other end I found that Johnson's nappy change creme worked well.

Never had a problem with Huggies but you cannot leave them until they 'max out', that just creates ammonia and irritation.

Warm water and Lux work well for all clothing. Use it for everyone. The clothing is softer to wear and does not have the harsh feel as experienced with detergents.

Never use fabric softeners, they are a certain recipe for a rash.
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Reply By: Stewy - Monday, Mar 06, 2006 at 11:08

Monday, Mar 06, 2006 at 11:08
Laura

My wife uses Nutirmetics stuff called CLC as I react to most comercial soap powders and liquids. If I use normal stuff out bush or at home I develop Eczema but using the clc we don't have to even rinse it out just wash, dry and wear which is pretty handy on long remote trips as it conserves water. Not cheap and you have to get use to not having suds. We just chuck in the bucket on the roof rack in the morning, wring it out and hang it out to dry in the evening and wear it the next day
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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, Mar 06, 2006 at 12:01

Monday, Mar 06, 2006 at 12:01
Hi Laura,

Have you tried Penaten cream? Worked well on our kids when young. We still use it for all sorts of skin problems. Seems to be a zinc based product.

Kind regards
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