Oversize Loads

Submitted: Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 13:07
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Hello to all the Tourists and 4x4ers that will soon be out on the highways enjoying our Great Country. I decided to post this because over previous years I notice that many motorist just don't know what to do when they see a Pilot Vehicle, We even get the "FINGER" sometimes and what we are doing is what the Laws require for your safety.
Last year in North Qld there were 3 incidents involving Tourists and Oversize loads, one near Charters Towers put finish to their holiday because the Caravan had the side torn out because the driver ignored the 1st Pilot Car,then ignored the directions of the Police Escort and then the accident happened.I think there was also a bad one in WA .So I have added the following for you all and hope you all have a terrific time out here in Oz.
OVERZIZE VEHICLES
Oversize vehicles play an important role on Queensland's roads. When it comes to moving houses, large machinery or agricultural equipment, it usually takes an oversize vehicle to do the job safely and well.
By definition, oversize vehicles are unusually wide, high, long or any combination of these. Because of their dimensions, oversize vehicles can create a hazard for unwary motorists. To avoid this problem, the law requires safety measures for oversize vehicles. These safety measures include the addition of one or more pilot or escort vehicles.
Pilot and escort vehicles
Pilot and escort vehicles protect you by warning that there's an oversize vehicle on the road.
A pilot operator is a person who is accredited to guide loads that are between 3.5m and 4.5m wide.
An escort operator is a person who is accredited to guide loads wider than 4.5m. [2 Pilot/Escorts] and upwards to 7m to 8m - Pilot Vehicle will have Wig-Wag lights on as will Police.
For loads over 5.5m there will be [2 Pilot/Escorts] 1 Police Escort, and 6m or more could have 2 to 3 Police Escorts.
In WA you will see Pilot Cars on your side of the road,over double lines, etc

PILOT VEHILES - what should you do?
Oversize vehicles will cause you no problems if you follow some simple rules.
Slow down
When you see a pilot or escort vehicle - slow down. Continue driving slowly until the oversize vehicle passes you by. This could take some time, as pilot vehicles generally travel some distance ahead of the oversize vehicle.
Prepare to move over and STOP if necessary
Many oversize vehicles will take up more than half the road, or may need to drive in the centre to safely clear power lines, roadside fixtures or bridges.
You may have to move to the left or stop completely to allow an oversize vehicle to pass safely.
The safest thing to do is to pull right off the bitumen and stop until the oversize vehicle has passed.
Follow any instructions from the escort operator
By law, escort vehicle operators (including police and others) are allowed to direct motorists in order to prevent injury or property damage. If an operator displays a sign asking you to stop or slow down, or waves you off the road, you should follow their instructions - for your own safety.

For more Information paste this URL into the address bar http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/LTASinfo.nsf/index/heavy_pilot

Have a good one, see you out on the roads,

Doug

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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 13:11

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 13:11
Did the pilot vehicle thingy for a house moving mob many years back. Amazing how stupid some drivers (car/bus/truck) are.
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Follow Up By: Scoey - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 13:29

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 13:29
I used to pilot/escort wige ones and high ones for a boat transporting company. It's absolutely amazing, some of the things I saw drivers do. Taking a very wide and high boat through Brisbane early one morning I needed to get my driver thru an intersection on the wrong side of the road (to avoid overhanging traffic lights) I got up ahead and parked my vehicle - all lit up - across the two lanes of oncoming traffic (of which there was next to none) and radioed to him he was clear. Just before he was visible from my position this young bloke in an Excel approached, dorve up the gutter, bump a bin on the footpath and back doen onto the road desptie me telling him to stop and my quite obvious road block! I warned the truck driver and next thing the rig came around the corner, spotties blazing and on the horn! I don't think the little excel stopped before the reverse lights were on! Hillarious!

Anyone else got any good stories?
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 13:19

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 13:19
Doug,

I have found that the only way to get a good look at what is on the back of the truck is to stop when it goes past.

I don't envy your job, having to have vehicles follow you where you go. Have to travel all over Australia and get paid to do it.I can't think of a worse job.:-))

What UHF channel do the escort vehicles use and if I was to come across a escort vehicle and wide load do they mind if we had a chat?

Driving a escort vehicle in Kings Cross Sydney has a different job description to yours.

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 13:27

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 13:27
Thanks Wayne
Yep it is very difficult getting paid to see the Country , trouble is most of it is repeats.As for having a chat on Ch 40 by all means use your radio to sak the Pilot whats coming etc , Yes say a quick Hi to the drivers but keep it short as we might need the airwave again .
I might be hanging out down Big Red for Easter,see how finances hold up.
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Reply By: eerfree - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 13:24

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 13:24
Thanks Doug
Good words.
Love your website!!!!

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Reply By: V8troopie - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 15:36

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 15:36
I have a question about that. I had an oversize load approaching outback WA, with the required escort vehicles. Luckily I could see from a distance that the load was taking up the ENTIRE road and had a chance to pick a spot where it was safe to drive well off the road and be able to get back on without having to engage 4WD (was towing a 26' boat at the time).
Now, there are places where one cannot do that so I wonder what the procedure is that the escorts adapt then? I imagine a road block is the only safe option, especially on winding roads where the traffic cannot see just how BIG the load is until its very close up front.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 16:03

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 16:03
I can remember a house (chopped in two) that we moved from Caringbah to Camden via the old Heathcote Rd. On the steep uphill climb from the weir(?) I was well in front as escort and through some winding bits.

Cars heading downhill saw the flashing lights etc and pulled as far to the left as they could. Except of course for the obligatory idiot who took the opportunity to overtake said stationary vehicles and disappeared around a bend out of sight. A screech of brakes and some very rapid work in reverse got him around the corner back towards me and the 'good guys'.

The driver of the first truck was on the radio cacking himself laughing, lights on full beam, horn etc blaring and screaming he was'nt stopping for anything or anyone. The second truck driver generously advised that he'd take care of anything the first truck missed :)))))))))))
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 16:47

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 16:47
Hi Klaus
Took me a while to do an answer for , been having an afternoon nap, Avery good query you put forward , it does happen quite a lot , I guess it's a situation where it's you there,me here,loads there, and when it does occur one thinks ....well if i were further out in front or if he was a 30 seconds later, but we can't just go back and have a re-run, so the pilot has to be able to read the terrain/road conditions/and try and position him/her self to suit those conditions, and keep concentration on the go all day so things like you mentioned do not happen,There was an incident between Mt Isa and Cloncurry last year involving a Roadtrain , Pilot was not far enough out and they met in a narrow section and the rear trailer of the roadtrain was damaged.but even in the same area it is hard for a 4x4 with a caravan , anyhow if you go to the section of my web page at this URL and click on either of the 2 WA links you will gather some knowledge. just paste it into your address bar.

http://members.westnet.com.au/dtilley/pilot.htm
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Follow Up By: V8 Troopie - Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 01:49

Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 01:49
Thanks Doug, your reply and the info at that link was very informative.
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Reply By: Footloose - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 17:07

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 17:07
Doug, have often had to follow large loads, or had them coming the other way. If narrow I get as far off as possible. One truck around Halls Creek (before it was all sealed) said "if you think I'm big, my mate is 10k behind and h's twice as big". So I pulled off for a breather :) The escorts and trucks can provide some interesting entertainment on chan 40...I don't always say anything :)
I know that narrow twisted section between the Isa and Cloncurry...not good at night if you're a tired bunny. Unfortunately I always seem to strike Mt Isa when the entire town has zilch accomodation....mazing. Never happened a few years ago.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 18:16

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 18:16
Big City this Mt Isa now , plenty of room for Caravans at the moment but i guess they will be on the move soon, i live in a Van in a Caravan Pk.About entertainment , yeh quite often see ppl falling out the car with camera in hand.

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Reply By: Ray Bates - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 18:12

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 18:12
I believe that the MRD give out oversize permits too easily these days without looking into the alternatives.
I would like to bring up the subject of mining equipment. I was in the mining/construction industry for many years (retired now). In those days it was a performance to get an oversize permit if the item could be broken down into smaller peices but now the atitude is make it as big as posible so very little work has to be carried out on site.
Regarding pilot vehicles. Some, not all, run a muck with their limited authority if they are not with a police officer and drive for miles not allowing other vehicles to pass safely. It could be because they are paid on contract.
The old saying goes "Those that can go. Those that can't become escort drivers"
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 18:31

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 18:31
Like every thing Ray , good and bad , Ive seen some pilots about 500m in front,they might as well go home for all the good they do, I hate it when the truck driver pushes you and catches up , thats no good either, read this one i found on the net .

Steer clear of wide loads police warn
19.03.2005
THERE was a clear message for all drivers following an accident between two trucks on a bridge near Nebo yesterday, police said.
‘‘Drivers must be more aware that wide-load vehicles are a major hazard on the road,’’ Snr Const Gavin Hill, of Nebo police, said.
He was commenting after a semi-trailer and a truck carrying a section of a dragline bucket collided as they passed on Firey Creek, 10km east of Nebo, at 5.50am yesterday.
One lane of the Peak Downs Highway was closed for four-and-a-half hours following the crash, reopening about 10.30am.
The truck carrying the dragline bucket, heading towards Mackay, was escorted by two pilot vehicles and a police car.
Snr Const Hill said the truck carrying the dragline bucket scraped along the railing of the creek bridge.
Snr Const Hill said all drivers must give way to wide-load vehicles under escort.

‘’They must pull to the left and allow it to pass.

‘‘If there is a pilot vehicle and then a police car then the next vehicle will be at least 4.5 metres wide.
‘‘The dragline bucket on the truck yesterday was 5.5 metres.’’

Well Ray that's another case of "this is my half the road " and i;m not giving it up ,
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 16:15

Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 16:15
Ray
I have to agree with you yesterday I passed a wide load on Roe Hwy here in Perth.
A Dozer the widest part was the blade in the old days that would have had to be removed.

But here in WA (Perth) we have double road trains running around the city, and triple "B" train on city Hwy?????

When I lived in Vic you could not get a Permit if the load could be broken down

And as for pilot vehicle drivers l have seen some dills out there and the talk over the radio calling other road users all the names under the sun, it seem that some are not smart enough to know other use and listen to the same radios

give a flashing light to some people and it goes to there heads

Richard
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Follow Up By: Ray Bates - Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 20:00

Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 20:00
That must have been the same dozer that I saw on the GEH near Coolgardie. Yes the widest part of the load was the blade. That could have been taken off in a couple of hours
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 21:40

Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 21:40
Ray and Richard.....the 2 Rs

There is more involved in taking things of and putting them back on, Do you know where they loaded it, who knows.it could have been way out into the scrub ,so a crane has to go out there , $$$$ ,man hours to do the job,$$$ another truck has to go get the blade, more $$$ , crane has to go unload it ,$$$$ and aid in refitting $$$$ so we find now it is much cheaper and quicker to hire 1 or 2 pilots ....to put blokes like you two who has no idea what;s going on off the road ,.....well nicely that is ...just bagging you, That;s ok you blokes , hope my answer has been of help to you's.
funny eh ... I been out today escorting a D10N that's going do more work on the Barkly Hwy between Mt Isa and Camooweal ,the tourists will like that .works will commence in the next few days near Inca Ck

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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 21:52

Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 21:52
That fine Doug
I see you have two flashing lights
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 22:02

Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 22:02
Thanks Richard
I see you made a good choice of 4x4 too , i just really enjoy driving mine, just hope the lod motor just hangs in for a few more months, 18 months would be fine as then i will have $$$ saved for a rebuild, I was thinking about the 6.5ltr chevy ,I hear fors and against and the nays don't have one but one told me what happens when you need a part ,say in Cooktown ,where do you get and when as with the Toyota 6cyl should get most parts most places so i think i will stick with the 6.

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Reply By: Peter 2 - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 18:45

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 18:45
But like everything there are some cowboys.
Years ago we were up in central Qld up past Julia Crk, early in the morning, quite a few travellers on the road, we met a wide load with police escort etc coming the other way problem was we were on a floodplain, road was built up, with rocks cemented in the edges and only relatively narrow with no shoulders, country was wet and very soft off the road. The wide load was travelling very quickly, 80kph plus Id reckon and I and lot of others took to the edge, getting hung up on the diffs on the rocks and the troopy nearly at rollover point.
A truck travelling behind us came along and pulled me back on the road, between the two of us we pulled about a dozen vehicles back on the road, cars with busted sumps, caravans with suspension and water tank damage and the lucky ones just plain bogged as soon as they left the tar. Many of us complained at the next town to be told that they had left a trail of destruction for hudreds of ks.
they should have been locked up copper included. We nearly rolled with 3 kids in the vehicle!
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Reply By: Old Scalyback & denny - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 19:41

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 19:41
i was gunna comment but i get peed off everytime i think about it
the only comment i will make is none of the team involved including the weakkneed copper would answer which pub they had spent there lunch time in they should ban all oversize?????
steve
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 20:08

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 20:08
well......hmmm might have to treat that with the contempt it deserves, ....lol go and crack another coldie..

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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 19:51

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 19:51
Doug,

While on the subject, What happens when you come up behind a wide load. The wide load is only doing 50kph. The wide load can't move over. How do we pass or do we just have to wait?

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 20:02

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 20:02
Can only answer for me and the teams i work with, As soon as we can find a spot ,parking bay or extra wide road we slow or pull over to let any traffic past, now if your the only one then you might wait till the next O/T lanes but as a rule we do our best, Law states every 20k.and it depends again on speeds ,size,weather,edges, if the truck is travelling at 80ks and we know a wide bits coming up in 5 to 10 ks then the wait won't be long and you will loose about 2 minutes or less ,common sense prevails.
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 20:06

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 20:06
Thanks Doug

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 03:27

Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 03:27
Hi Wayne
just thought I would let you know i been working on my web page and have this info on there mow, just paste this url into the address bar/

http://members.westnet.com.au/dtilley/wa_oversize96mixing.pdf
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Reply By: Max - Sydney - Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 20:05

Friday, Mar 10, 2006 at 20:05
Oversized load or not, I try to follow a simple rule when I come across big 'uns - "I am on holiday, they are working for a quid." Its real easy to pull off and let them past, and just amble along on my way.

Good for my blood pressure too.

Just a thought
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Reply By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 12:42

Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 12:42
We listen to the highway channel when touring, so on the odd ocassion when we came across a Pilot and a wide load, we had heard him for a few K's as he warned other trucks etc about the load. By the time we caught up, we were intrigued as to what the load was...(it was a house) and we ambled along behind until a VERY safe passing spot was found.\

As said above, we were on holiday and for these guys it was just another day at the office!
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Reply By: rash1 - Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 15:56

Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 15:56
Hi doug
I'm a trucky so as a rule approaching wide loads are not a plroblem as pilot will always give you WIDTH OF LOAD. However when not in truck and with no uhf it is very disconcerting when a wide load is approaching
I've always thought it would be a could idea for the pilot vehicle to display WIDTH OF LOAD either illuminated or just a large sign.......would really help those people without UHF

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 21:47

Saturday, Mar 11, 2006 at 21:47
Good idea rash1
there is a very few that have that idea going but only about 5% of motorists would know what it meant or even see it, I would have thought 2 amber flashing lights,a large yellow sign,headlights on, and 2 wig-wag lights and when required a police car , would be enough warning, well for some NOOO so a little number isn't going to help them at all .

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