late 97- early 05 Hilux

Submitted: Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 10:25
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G'day,

I'm considering purchasing a 2nd hand hilux of this model... i want to spend between 15k and 30k (massive gap i know).
I'm undecided on engines, i'm swaying towards desiel due to, the resale, economy and possibly the use of bio-desiel. holding me back is the 15 cent difference in sydney of the 2 fuels... 12L/100km in a desiel, is equal to 14L/100km in petrol... monetry speaking, but then you add in the 5000km servicing on desiels- my head is doing circle work!

Once i decide on which fuel, then which engine? overworking a 2.7 or cruising with a 3.4? Burning oil with a naturaly aspirated engine, or boosting the turbo?

If anyone has experience with average daily fuel usage or reliability issues with any of my 4 options, it would be GREAT to hear from you, even if its just your 2 cents.

Thanks, SAM
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Reply By: russ36 - Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 10:42

Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 10:42
i sold my 2.7 litre petrol b4 i had a chance to kill it.....the 3.4 was much better.. now i have the 4.0...u can never have too much engine if you have to carry a decent load
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Follow Up By: sam_84h - Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 12:50

Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 12:50
do you remember what kind of consumption you were getting out of the 4cyl?
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Follow Up By: russ36 - Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 16:57

Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 16:57
i carry alot of planks, ladders and tressles daily. catches the wind, lots of drag. cant give you the figures but can say that it wasnt real good. the 3.4 v6 was worse[frightening], but at least when i put the foot down it responded
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Follow Up By: simple - Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 17:41

Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 17:41
i averaged about 10.5 - 11 L/100 with my 2.7 around town.
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Reply By: Member - Collyn R (WA) - Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 10:51

Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 10:51
Have just sold my '95 2.8 litre diesel Hilux. Had done 145,000 km and was in top condition. Sold it in Broome for $13,500 (I think it was a bargain).

Economy very good. On long runs (like to Perth and back - 5000 kn return) it used about 8 litres/100 km. Local driving rarely worse than 10 litres/100 km.

Ultra-reliable, slow compared with my 2005 3 litre TD (last of the old model) but fine cruising at 100 km/hr. Would not recommend it though if towing heavy trailers.

Also suspension very firm unless I have half a tonne of cow manure in the back!
Maarit Rivers
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Reply By: TUFF IFS LUX - Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 10:54

Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 10:54
Sam,

My hilux is a 3.4 petrol, and I have a whole bunch of accessories on it that weight it down (huge bullbar and twin side-rails/step,rear step etc) plus larger tyres(265/75x16) . I cruise around town daily with it and with my last tank of fuel I received 12.8 litres per 100km. Which I think is pretty damn good considering the aerodynamics is the equivalent of a brick with a bull-bar. Its abit sluggish off the line but once shes moving she hooks up ok. Ive calibrated the speedo to ensure with the larger tyres that I get the correct reading. Note: this has been achieved on BP fuel - I find it gives me better fuel economy than Shell or Safeway.

TUFF_IFS_LUX
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 12:10

Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 12:10
Sam,

I've got the 2004 V6 3.4 model. Average fuel consumption over 51,000ks is around 11.7l/100k. It has steel bullbar, rear bar, canopy, dual battery etc etc. Weighs in around 1930kgs - without me :))))))))))
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Follow Up By: sam_84h - Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 12:49

Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 12:49
wow... hardly seems worth the servicing, extra purchase price, and extra cents per litre money. is that 11.7 figure mostly hwy or city... i'm asking for a generalisation... i know its hard to say. what speeds are you doing in the hwy cycle?
thanks, sam
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 13:12

Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 13:12
Sam,

Just checked my spreadsheet and it's 11.89l/100km, sorry.

Mostly suburban (way west of Sydney) and hwy driving. I'm definitely not a drag racer (can't be with a Lux anyway LOL) but I don't hold up traffic either. Travel at the limit 100/110 (or a little above ... hehehehehe) on the hwy. Use fifth gear whenever possible and do very, very little towing if any.

Mine has the standard split rims/skinny tyres which may explain some of the difference compared to TUFF_IFS_LUX.

Don't discount the turbo diesel though. I ended up with a V6 because they did't sell a TD in the configuration I was after. Depends on what you want to do with the vehicle, how often and when.

Regards
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Follow Up By: TUFF IFS LUX - Monday, Mar 13, 2006 at 15:35

Monday, Mar 13, 2006 at 15:35
Al'
yeah i was gonna ask how to get my V6 fuel economy down to 11.7, i'd be rapt with that, but yeah split rims would help alot in reducing rolling resistance. Im assuming yours is a manual then eh? I might try those repco injector collits(forgot what their called) to get better fuel economy. any tips other than to put a brick under the accelerator and removing the accessories?

TUFF_IFS_LUX
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Mar 13, 2006 at 17:04

Monday, Mar 13, 2006 at 17:04
TUFF_IFS_LUX,

Yeah mate, it's a manual. I've probably got similar accessories to you. Not much point removing them eh, unless you want to practice before setting up your own business fitting the damn things :)))) Maybe I should look at that ????? Ten thumbs does'nt help though LOL

I've seen a lot of posts re how thirsty these things can be so it must be something to do with the type of driving I do. I'm out Windsor/Richmond way and rarely travel anywhere near the Sydney CBD. I'm lucky in that I don't have to drive in the middle of peak hours etc so that helps as well. I did get up around 16 to 17l/100k crossing the Simpson with a load on.

I don't think your consumption figures are that bad though. If you're carrying any weight and the bigger tyres do make a difference from what I've read. Every little bit adds up overall.

As long as the truck does what you want it to, the fuel consumption is just that extra bit you have to pay.

Sorry mate, can't give you a magic solution but I'd be interested in what you find with the injectors.

Regards
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Follow Up By: AndrewW - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 13:01

Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 13:01
Wow, you guys are getting great economy.

My 3.4 V6 uses about 18lt/100km most of the time, slightly better on the highway, maybe down to 15lt/100km.

I have the usual accessories, bars front and rear, canopy, dual batts, rear drawers etc. Nothing extreme though. I also run 31x10.5 tyres.

I was using about 22lt/100km across the Simpson, driven relatively easily most of the time. Worst consumption was between Innamincka and Cameron Corner, in the wet, 200km, 60 lt of fuel. I cried....

I have chased the fuel consumption issues, as I got a dodgy load of fuel at one stage. Have had the injectors out for cleaning, and they appeared to be fine. Got a new air flow sensor, and thinking about replacing the O2 sensor in the exhaust too. None of this has made any difference, it still drinks fuel like no tomorrow. Has definately scared me off buying another petrol, for sure.

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 16:57

Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 16:57
The difference in fuel consumption is a bit of a mystery to me.

Just filled my tank 64.82litres and the odometer had 582ks (around 11.14l/100k according to my spreadsheet). So far I've done 51,956ks and used 6,173.09 litres of fuel.

Maybe my Ks are smaller or my Litres are bigger :))))))))))
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Reply By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 13:01

Sunday, Mar 12, 2006 at 13:01
Hi there Sam, Im in the same position as you,Im not doing anything till April next year but will be in the same situation, every where in sydney the diesel has been about on average $1.35, petrol about $1.05/$1.10 per litre and yes take into consideration oil changes which I do every 3k + filter works out a lot dearer than petrol especially if as described above fuel figs with the V6 I think that will be my choice next year a low klm V6 petrol, 12L per 100 k sounds pretty good to me I use about 10L per 100k in the old 2.8 and get down to about 8/9 highway driving sitting on 100k start to push it upwards even 110k and it will climb to about 11 especially with the air and loaded up to the roof which we always are when we go away.In a bigger vehicle such as cruiser or patrol then yes I would go diesel as we all know how these things like to drink on petrol but then also decides on wether you want something which will go fairly quick off the mark as say a 4.8 petrol patrol. Not really an issue with the hilux as they dont have the weight as the bigger ones do. I'd lean towards the V6 just my opinion Regards Steve M
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Reply By: BBails - Monday, Mar 13, 2006 at 10:28

Monday, Mar 13, 2006 at 10:28
I have a 2002, 2.7 dual cab pickup. It has a steel bull bar and runs 31 10.5 tyres.

I live right in the city (Sydney) but I have driven this car to Darwin and back via Mt isa so I have a pretty good idea of it's fuel economy.

On the highway you wont do much better than 12L /100kms. If you exceed 110km/h economy get worse like 14/L - I learnt this in NT.

Round town it gets 14 - 16 L/100Km. Bear in mind I do a lot of stop start. Doing shuttle runs for down hill mountain biking I can get worse than 16.

The 2.7 goes OK and is actually as fast 0-100 as the 3.4 as it weighs less. The 3.4 will definately use more fuel - a friend has one.

If you want to ever overtake anything, or tow anything, or drive up hills above 60K/h do not get a non turbo diesel. They are painfully underpowered.

These figures are all legit. I dont flog the car or drive for economy. It is reliable as a brick. I have yet to break anything.

B

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Follow Up By: sam_84h - Monday, Mar 13, 2006 at 18:40

Monday, Mar 13, 2006 at 18:40
thank you very much... the v6 power sounds attractive, but i'm comparing a $15k 4cyl to a $25k 6cyl... as nice as power is thats a big saving... i'm definatly leaning towards the 2.7. Thank you all for your input, it is greatly appreciated!
SAM
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Reply By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Tuesday, Mar 14, 2006 at 10:15

Tuesday, Mar 14, 2006 at 10:15
Hi there Sam, was on ebay last night, go to search type in toyota hilux, click on newly listed, there is a 2.7 blue in colour in there with a heap of extras dvd, mp3, b/bar ect looks pretty bloody good to me so far only up to 6k. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Tuesday, Mar 14, 2006 at 10:18

Tuesday, Mar 14, 2006 at 10:18
Hi there Sam, there is a blue one on ebay, just go to search, type in toyota hilux, then click on newly listed and scroll donw you will find it, only up to 6k so far and looks in bloody good nick no off road work. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Tuesday, Mar 14, 2006 at 11:10

Tuesday, Mar 14, 2006 at 11:10
Up for auction we have a 2000 Toyota hilux SR5 Dual cab in excellent condition. It has 160 000 kms on it most of which are highway kilometers and has not seen Sand,Water or Mud since i have owned it( 3 Years).

Standard features include-

Adjustable Steering Col
Chrome Bumper
Chrome Fittings
Chrome Grille
Chrome Wheels
Flares
Metallic Paint
Headrests - Integrated 2nd Row
Independent Front Suspension
Intermittent Wipers - Variable
Limited Slip Diff
Power Door Mirrors
Power Steering
Power Windows - Front & Rear
Radio Cassette
Rear Step bumper
Tacho
Extras Fitted to this car:

Kenwood TV/DVD/CD/MP3/SatNav In Dash ($2800)
Rear 12 inch Fold down screen ($2000)
Soundstream Tarantula Component Speakers ($500)
2004 SR5 Roll Bar
2004 SR5 Chrome Front Bar
Full metallic chrome window tint
Latest Design genuine momo steering wheel
Ute liner in spotless condition
Ute Is only used for my weekend driver and never for work.A set of roof racks with rails and a Chrome Nudge Bar will be included with vehicle as they are no use to me. Selling Due to needing a smaller car for the missus to run around in. Welcome any inspections and test drives( as i wouldn t purchase a car without one) Car is located in Inner Newcastle.

All offers will be considered.

Price can be negotiated if stereo is not wanted or needed and can fit original AM/FM Tape deck
Item Specifics - Automobiles
Manufacturer: Toyota Registration Number (if currently registered): MS-73-AB
Model: Hilux Engine Size: 2.7 litre
Type: Four Wheel Drive For Sale by: Private Seller
Ask seller a question
Doors: 4 VIN (Vehicle Identification Number): --
Date of Manufacture: Nov 1999 Type of Title: Clear (most titles)
Date of 1st Registration: Apr 2000 Engine Number: --
Colour: Purple Registration Information: Dec 2006
Metallic Paint: Yes Factory/Aftermarket Warranty: --
Right-hand drive/Left-hand drive: Right-hand drive Transmission: Manual
Number of Previous Owners: 1 Fuel: Petrol
Kilometres: 160000 Previously Registered Overseas: --
Condition: Used
Options: 4-Wheel Drive, Air Conditioning, Alarm, Alloy Wheels, AM/FM Stereo, CD Player, Navigation System, Power-assisted Steering (PAS), Power Locks, Power Windows, Tilt Steering Wheel, TV DVD Safety Features: Anti-Lock Brakes, Back Seat Safety Belts, Immobiliser, Safety Belt Pretensioners

Still on there up to 8k as of 11am today ITEM NO 4621576539 6 DAYS TO GO

Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: sam_84h - Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 21:08

Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 21:08
thanks for the tip, i'll keep my eye on it, no reserve... wednesday 2100- $13000 perhaps too many people have gotten the hint from our forum ;-) I'll keep an eye on it, see what it does.

There's some nice extras... but is any of it usable? latest design momo wheel? full metallic chrome tint? I still want it, just not sure how all that chrome would go in the bush!
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 11:30

Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 11:30
The chrome tint he's referring to is just the type of window tint applied which is a very good quality tint. Momo steerring wheel might need to be checked out to make sure its the right diameter insurance reasons.Sat nav etc would be handy. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: sam_84h - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 20:17

Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 20:17
hmm, sat nav... must have skimmed past that bit. sounds nice
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