Taller Toilet Paper

Submitted: Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 14:17
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I have just recieved a bypass filter from the USA to fit to my diesel 4x4, it uses toilet paper, the Aussie TP standard seems to be 11cm tall although the bypass filter uses rolls around 12cm tall as in the US.

If anyone has been through this before, and found suppliers or brands in this country to suit? I would love to hear from you. Thanks.
The filter is a motorguard.

cheers fnq
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Reply By: Member - Coyote (SA) - Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 14:25

Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 14:25
I just can't resist.....
The reason the Yanks Toilet paper is bigger is because (as I am sure they will tell you if you ask, or even if you don't for that matter). Yanks are the biggest and the best at everything in the world..

They are the biggest Ar$e H0les and thier sh1t stinks more...
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 12:13

Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 12:13
ROTFALMAO! I was going to say a similar thing, but you beat me do it!
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Reply By: Michael B - Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 15:04

Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 15:04
Hi Fnqcairns,

Not much help I guess but I have just been out into the store and measured the different brands of toot paper, all seem to be 10cm, and we carry a fair range.

Looks like they are a standard size, will ask the rep when I see him again.

Regards
Michael B (SA)
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Follow Up By: fnqcairns - Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 16:20

Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 16:20
Thanks Michael, would luv to find out if different sizes are available here.

thanks.
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Follow Up By: Michael B - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 16:41

Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 16:41
Fnq,

Just checked with the Kimberly-Clark rep and I am told that 10cm is the industry standard.

All to do with the size of dispenser we have in Australia.

Apart from a spacer or original equip, only other suggestion is to maybe buy paper towels and cut off what you don't want.......

Sri not much help.

Regards
Michael B (SA)

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Follow Up By: fnqcairns - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 21:40

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 21:40
Thanks Michael for taking the time, fitted it today with the included US bog roll, I will probably import some myself and make a spacer for the meantime as you say.

cheers and thanks again, fnq
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Reply By: seqfisho - Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 15:06

Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 15:06
Wouldn't the toilet paper break down and flow through the fuel system?

Glen.
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Follow Up By: seqfisho - Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 15:25

Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 15:25
Ahhhhhh its for oil and not fuel?????????????????
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Follow Up By: fnqcairns - Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 18:55

Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 18:55
Glen they also make ones for fuel also for auto trans fluid as well. I am looking into the fuel one atm, they say the stuff caught down stream in TP filters from the original fuel filter has to be seen to be believed, gotta be better than it ending up in the injector pump.

cheers fnq
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Reply By: Leroy - Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 15:15

Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 15:15
All sounds like a crock of $%#@ to me!!

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 12:14

Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 12:14
That's why they use toilet paper! LOL
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Reply By: traveller2 - Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 15:22

Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 15:22
Had the same problem 20 years ago when fitting one to a cruiser, just had a spacer made to fill the gap so we could use Aussie ones.
Make sure that the adapter and hoses used to connect it to the engine are fitted correctly and that the hoses themselves are of the best quality available. It takes no time at all to empty the sump at highway speeds.
I lost a petrol engine and a friend lost his 1HZ when the hoses let go. No fun when you are on the opposite of the country.
Personally I think they are a waste of time as most people never keep the vehicle long enough or do enough k's to warrant fitting one.
Compared to engine replacement oil is cheap!
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Follow Up By: fnqcairns - Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 16:30

Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 16:30
Thanks for the advice it's all good. I am onto the spacer idea as a last choice and I will be paying through the nose for the highest quality hoses, damn they are expensive. I can buy a roll to suit another application through truck spare parts places although it is much too large (needs cutting down) and expensive $10 so goes against my original reason for fitting one which I would like to keep - with luck.

Yes for the person who keeps their car 5 years it's a waste of time bothering. I plan to keep this car for 12 or 15 years atm + this sort of stuff appeals to me in a geeky way and it is just nice to know I will have virtually halted oil related wear in it's tracks once up and running.

cheers
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 15:31

Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 15:31
What the F__K..???
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Reply By: Flash - Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 16:08

Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 16:08
fnq
Nice that you ask a simple question and people just answer rubbish.

I have been using bypass filters for years and very highly recommend them. They filter oil and fuel extremely well- I can triple oil change intervals and still have cleaner oil than otherwise. They have paid for themselves many many times over.
I use Frantz on both diesel fuel and oil- the length of the roll is not a problem with the Frantz but rather the size (diameter) of the centre section. I bought a box of rolls from a catering supplies company some years ago with the right size hole and am still going on that box, however believe they are probably still available. Hope that is some help.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: fnqcairns - Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 16:50

Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 16:50
Yes Flash certainly a help thanks, I will check out a couple of catering supply company's. Would you happen to know what height the TP you are using are?

cheers
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Follow Up By: Flash - Monday, Mar 20, 2006 at 11:23

Monday, Mar 20, 2006 at 11:23
Sorry, took a while...
Height is pretty standard, about 10.5cm.
With the Frantz though the critical thing is the size of the centre hole for a good seal and to stop oil bypassing the filter entirely- has to be about 4cm not larger like most available in the shops. Seems they keep increasing the hole size to get less and less paper on a roll.
I remember when a good roll was 500 sheets, now most are half that..
Cheers
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 16:13

Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 16:13
Toilet paper is biodegradable and the proper filters are not. so it will collapse inside the housing. The filteration will be almost non existent unless you use the correct roll. Filtration works through the end of the roll, so if it is not VERRRRYY tightly wound it wont do much. I know a bit about it, I used to be an agent for Filter Technology. Their products work!! regards Michael
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Follow Up By: fnqcairns - Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 17:02

Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 17:02
Thanks Michael I have read about the TP filters collapsing somewhat especially if the wrong roll is used, many users I have read about do not have the problem to any degree but for the price in a non industrial application (non money making operation) TP appeals to me.
All of the available ones I chased up here in Australia except Frants to a degree were way too expensive to purchase and the replacement element cost was certainly targeted towards industry.

cheers

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Follow Up By: STAN - Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 17:10

Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 17:10
I purchase my Franz filter toilet rolls from the Aust. agent
McCrum Innovations P/L in Berwick Vic Phone 03 97070642
or e-mail Mathew at Frantz Aust@dodo.com.au They cost about $4 each I am in no way conected with the firm - Just a satisfied customer. They definately work wonders ,as I unroll the used element and you can feel the fine grit between the papers [. Marvellous what the full flow original equipment filter allows through ]
This has been backed up by a oil analysis by William Adams [Cat] at 15000k changes and will extend out to 20000 next oil change , with a further analysis . Stan
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Follow Up By: fnqcairns - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 21:45

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 21:45
Stan thanks for the info I have contacted them and may purchase some although I will need to go at them with a knife - could be fun :)

cheers fnq
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Reply By: stano - Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 17:27

Wednesday, Mar 15, 2006 at 17:27
13 years ago I purchased a Massey Ferg. 135 diesel three cylinder tractor and it came with a Mil-Mac brand toilet paper filter (from Western Australia - I can't find any phone number etc. for the company) which is internally adjustable so that it wouldn't really matter if what size the rolls were. It is very simple to change the but it keeps the oil so clean I have only changed the oil and the rolls every 3 years. The oil remains remarkably clean - much cleaner than oil only a few days old in my Patrol and my TDl VW Golf. The tractor does not get a lot of use - about 100 hours a year - but the filter certainly keeps that oil looking like it has been in there only a few days.
Stano.
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Follow Up By: fnqcairns - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 21:48

Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 21:48
Stano thanks for the heads up on Mil-Mac, it seems they have a quality unit (found their web site). I will be contacting them shortly re the size of their element as the price each is certainly OK. With a bit of luck......

cheers fnq
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Reply By: G.T. - Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 at 13:12

Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 at 13:12
Toilet paper is NOT a suitable filter medium for filtering any liquid including oil. It is only good for what it was originally manufactured for. See posts 15993, 16027, 17991, 18255. A proper oil filter cartridge is required. If the firm you purchased the filter kit from cannot supply a filter suitable for filtering your oil, send it back!
Regards G.T.
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Follow Up By: fnqcairns - Friday, Mar 24, 2006 at 20:00

Friday, Mar 24, 2006 at 20:00
I dunno, I fitted the filter a bit over one week ago, the 4.2 GQ diesel oil was only 400km old but had turned very black (as is typical with these engines) it was unmistakable on the dipstick. After 300km further with the bypass fitted the oil has now turned to a honey-ish colour, still has black in it but I have to work to see the dipstick fill mark now as the oils colour does not make an unmistakable line.
To me that says it is doing something, I also know the size fraction that makes the oil black! If it is removing this then it is also removing all the larger wear related sized fractions the standard oil filters cannot! The TP must have had a hand in doing it as it's the only mod I have done apart from vacuuming the carpet :).

cheers fnq
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Reply By: G.T. - Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 12:25

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 12:25
fnq Amazing , fancy your oil going from a black colour to a honey colour by passing it through a water soluble medium. As long as you are happy that is the main thing. Good luck! G.T.
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