Engine differences in Troopys
Submitted: Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 02:05
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Bilbo
I'm looking for a new truck as some of you would be aware. I'm considering various options. One is an
old truck and transplant a Chevy V8 disel in it. The other is a new Toyota Troopy.
I've had a look at some 2002 and 2003 model Toyota Troopys and they seem to have the HZ diesel motor in 'em. No turbo as standard. And fair bit noisier than the GXL HDT motor. I do long distances and I've had enough of noise with my Ford Maverick ute.
I'm given to understand that the current TURBO diesels in Troopys have the same motor as the GXL Turbo Diesel - the HDT. First question - is that assumption correct?
Given that is correct, why is the power and torque lower in the Troopy engine than it is in the GXL Turbo Diesel? I've been told that's because the Troopy turbo diesel doesn't have an intercooler. Is that also correct?
Assuming that is also correct - why doesn't it have an intercooler?
After talking with my son's mate that specialises in performace cars and coupling that with what little I remember from my early days a diesel mechanic, I reckon I can get the same power as a GXL TD by fitting an intercooler. i.e power & torque up by about 15%.
That would be nice Troopy.
It's no good asking Toyota. They just wanna sell me one. The salesman just look at me with glazed looks. Ya can see thier little brains asking 'What's he on about?" 'What's an intercooler?" "My head hurts".
My rig, with caravan, would then be able to pass road trains like an arseshot greyhound as did my lost lamented GXL turbo diesel did, oh so long ago - about 5 days ago actually!
Wonder where it is? The Barstewards!!!
They'll be arseshot if I catch 'em!!
Bilbo
Reply By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 02:14
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 02:14
I have nothing to offer re your questions... Just had to comment at how I nearly fell off my desk laughing at "like an arseshot greyhound"... Haven't heard that saying for about 20 years, was a favourite of my grandfather(RIP).
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 03:14
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 03:14
Hey, it was my Grandad that said it me as
well!
Bilbo
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Reply By: Cruising - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 02:31
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 02:31
Hi Bilbo
I think that you will find that the troopy uses the 1hdt 3 valve per cylinder and the gxl uses the 4 valve per cylinder plus turbo. I may be wrong in this so some other knowledgable persons will soon set you right. Sorry to hear about your loss. Personally, Id be going for the gxl. Hope this helps.
Regards
Rob H
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 03:11
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 03:11
Thanks for that. But the new Troopys do have turbo, I'm certain of that much.
The GXL is a terrific, sexy, "glam" vehicle to own and drive. It eats
miles with consumate ease and I will miss it badly if it's never recovered. However, it was purchased in another time for another reason. I bought it as a "Salary Sacrifice" deal with my last employer before I retired. That was when I was "Highly paid, international Oil & Gas , high flying, jet-setting executive"!!! ;)
It was bought for our retirement to pull a van in comfort around Australia. We started out last May and took 4 months to get from
Perth to
Port Hedland. We got bored with all those caravan parks and decided we would return to a former passion of ours - prospecting. However, I didn't want to trade in the GXL - secretly I like driving it too much ;) and you lose too much when you trade in a car. Plus there's the Stamp Duty :(
Now that it's gone (prolly never too return), I'll get something more suitable for prospecting. But it needs to something with grunt and reliabilty. The GXL had both - but it also had good paintwork and lotsa plastic. They don't go
well against rocks and trees. So it's a Troopy for me - I think!
Or a Chevy diesel in old Nissan GU.
I wish NIssan made a Troopy. I really do. I could get one of those and put a Chev in it eh!
Bilbo
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Reply By: Cruising - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 03:29
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 03:29
I am sure that you are right, but I think the troopys have the old 1hdt motor and the gxl has the 1hd-fte mator. This motor puts out around 156kw as compared to the 1hdt putting out around 120kw or somewhere near that figure. Have a look in the back of 4x4 aust or 4wd monthly. These give the kw for the respective vehs.
Regards
Rob H
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Follow Up By: Cruising - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 03:38
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 03:38
Sorry Bilbo, forgot to mention that you can buy the 1hdfte motors for around $6-7000 depending where from. 3wj wreckers (I think thats them) advertise them. come to think of it, would be an awsome machine to travell around in. alllllll that gruuuuunt..
Regards
Rob H
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 06:41
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 06:41
Bilbo,
Both the troopie and GXL have the 4 valve 1HD-FTE motor, with GXL having the intercooler.
A cheaper way to bring the troopie up to GXL specs, is to put a Safari engine management chip in it, about $1450. Think the intercoolers run up over 2 grand, and there is no extra plumbing with the chip.
Only been in a few troopies, but think you'll find them a bit noisier than the GXL.
2nd hand troopies, and utes, with the factory turbo, are as rare as rocking horse poo, and expensive. Feel there could be an increase in numbers of these vehicles in the future, because many of government depts are buying them. eg national parks, railways etc.
2002 turbo utes are $29,100-$33,600, on Redbook at moment. Troopies would be a bit dearer.
No word on the GXL?
Hooroo...
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Reply By: Geoff M (Newcastle, NSW) - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 08:52
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 08:52
Hello Bilbo,
As I responded in your earlier post, I have an RV Troop Carrier on order, in fact the salesman told me yesterday morning he would have it yesterday and would ring. (Think I'll need to arseshoot the salesman, haven't heard from him yet)
To get the factory 4 valve 1HD-FTE Turbo Diesel motor you need to
check out the RV Model Troopy. They come in 5 and 11 seater. I've ordered the 5 seater.
Troopy's don't have the intercooler. Official word from Toyota is the GXL intercooler won't fit behind a Troopy grill.
To me the lack of an intercooler to get a live front axle and turbo diesel was
well worth the compromise.
Davoe pointed out in an earlier post the Troopy and Table Top are 500kgs lighter than the GXL's. Also talk to Denco Diesel, they do a very neat water to air intercooler for the 78 series.
Another suggestion from this thread is the Safari DTronic chip.
I found the factory turbo diesel quite a handy performer for a vehicle with the handling characteristics of an ocean liner!
Geoff.
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 11:33
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 11:33
I found some figures from the Toyota website. The Kerb Weight figues are averages. These depend on what options you have fited.
GXL:
Weight = 2500 kg
Power =150 kW
Torque = 430 Nm
Troopy:
Weight = 2200 kg
Power = 122 kW
Torque = 380 Nm
Ute:
Weight = 1950 kg
Power = 122 kW
Torque = 380 Nm
I rekon I can make my own intercooler. The design considerations aren't that hard to understand - air flow, heat exchange etc. My sons's been making 'em fer years out of truck intercoolers and puutin 'em on Nissan Skylines. But I maight blow the warranty with a
home made intercooler on a brand new truck eh?
Bilbo
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Follow Up By: Geoff M (Newcastle, NSW) - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 13:25
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 13:25
"But I maight blow the warranty with a
home made intercooler on a brand new truck eh?"
You may, I'd suggest Toyota would tell you anything they didn't make qualifies for "
home made" and voids the warranty!
I'm thinking about the Denco air to water myself.
Just had a call from the salesman, he must read ExploreOz and was worrying about being an arseshot greyhound. My Troopy is on
the wharf in
Sydney, whooo hooo.
He says he'll have it tonight or tomorrow.
I should be Troopying next wekend at the latest!
Geoff.
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Reply By: Member - Ozdyssey (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 09:18
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 09:18
Get a troopy, you'll feel like you're driving a real 4wd again.
I've got a factory turbo (2002) Troopy 11 seater, not an RV. It was the dealers own vehicle and I don't think he really wanted to sell it to me - or did I fall for that old chestnut.... They are difficult to find. Was one of only 2 in Qld for sale at the time.
Yes the motor is missing the intercooler from the TD 100s. Maybe could use a bit more power when towing but we plod along anyway. Less stressful driving and you see a lot more.
These later turbo models have a stronger gearbox as
well to cope, earlier models had trouble with the trans. The yahoo troopyoz
forum is good for info.
John
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Reply By: ro-dah-o (WA) - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 12:01
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 12:01
Have a chat to the boys at brunswick diesels (in brunswick) As far as WA goes they are the ducks nuts when it comes to Chevy diesel transplants. I know 2 people that have given their landcruiser a new lease of life with one of their doncs, and no complaints (except from SWMBO)
I cant give you any specs etc, not my area, but im sure Brunswicks would be than happ y ohelp you out
well worth checking out
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 12:56
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 12:56
Bilbo
There is a real good Troopie for sale here in Mt Isa 1995 and 160000Ks I think he might be asking a bit much at $45000.00, been
well looked after , if you want more info email me
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 22:37
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 22:37
Doug,
Thanks for looking mate, but errrr, I can get a 2002 Troopy with 80,000 kms on it for $35k to $37K
I can get a fitted out 2002 ex-hire Troopy camper (high ,mileage but prolly never been off a gravel road 'cos it smahes the dishes!), with Engel Fridge, 2 beds, gas cooker and hi-line roof for $27K here in
Perth.
$45,000 is more than a bit over the top Doug.
Thanks anyway,
Bilbo
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Follow Up By: Geoff M (Newcastle, NSW) - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 11:56
Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 11:56
"1995 and 160000Ks" "asking a bit much at $45000.00"
To borrow from that terrific Australian move, "The Castle"
"Tell him he's dreamin"
Redbook say the following for a 1996 RV,
1996 TOYOTA LANDCRUISER
HZJ75RV RV Hardtop 6st 2dr Man 5sp 4x4 4.2D
Prices based on km 200,000 - 300,000
Trade in price guide* $11,700 - $13,800
National average price - private sale* $14,500 - $17,900
Price when new (RRP) $49,840
Geoff.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 16:56
Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 16:56
Geoff
Sorry mate , my mistake , was wondering where the last 10.6 years had gone, may I do a correction ...2005 series 78 turbo,8" Chrome wheels,Bullbar,with sidesteps.Sun visor,tow-bar, 2 seater and airbags on rear
suspension
I reackon he is still asking a bit too much eh
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Follow Up By: Geoff M (Newcastle, NSW) - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 17:39
Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 17:39
Hi Doug,
All's good. I do things like that far more often than I'd be prepared to admit!
He's close to the money if it had up to say 40 or 50,000 k's on it. (It's not 16,000 rather than 160,000 by chance?) Actually at 16,000 k's from what I've seen it'd be a fair buy.
The thing that's going to kill him on price is the enormous distance it has covered in so short a time.
I thought I was good at 80,000 per year, sheite the bugger really does live in it! Does the bugger ever sleep?
He certainly doesn't shag!!
Geoff.
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Reply By: Traveller - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 12:58
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 12:58
Our 2005 RV turbo ute has more than enough grunt, overtaking is a pleasure compared to previous non turbo Cruisers. What it needs more than an inter cooler or a chip, is a sixth cog. That would make for very relaxed, quieter and more economical highway running.
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Follow Up By: V8troopie - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 15:47
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 15:47
That would apply to the V8 diesel conversions too. Lots of grunt at low revs but no suitable gear in the troopie to use that advantage at highway speeds. I would much prefer to cruise at 1500RPM rather than at 2500.
Klaus
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Follow Up By: Member - Luxoluk - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 20:43
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 20:43
Yeah to that also...always looking for taller legs..lots of grunt to pull higher gearing as
well...2500rpm at 100km/hr is just rediculous.
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Follow Up By: Geoff M (Newcastle, NSW) - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 21:31
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 21:31
I fourth that sentiment team.
A bloody good tourer let down by real short legs.
I believe Marks 4wd Adaptors do a neat Overdrive for Toyota's. A bit expensive though to correct what Toyota might like to look at.
Geoff.
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Follow Up By: Member - Luxoluk - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 11:28
Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 11:28
Marks Adaptors reckon there is too much torque for their overdrive unit to be highly reliable, especially if used in lower gears. Shame really!!
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Follow Up By: Geoff M (Newcastle, NSW) - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 11:59
Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 11:59
"Marks Adaptors reckon there is too much torque for their overdrive unit to be highly reliable"
That's a bummer! Back to the drawing board.
Doesn't Mark himself have one of his overdrives in his personal 80 Series with a Chev V8 diesel? I think I read it in a magazine somewhere.
I'll have to see if I can find it.
Geoff.
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Follow Up By: Member - Luxoluk - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 12:01
Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 12:01
Hi Geoff
You are dead right...it was this article that got me thinking in the first place and promted the call to them....if only!!
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 15:54
Thursday, Mar 16, 2006 at 15:54
Bilbo,
Cooma diesel will do an aftermarket intercooler if you're keen to depart with a heap of money. Norm Needham's intercooled 79series was written up in one of the mags (??4x4Aust) about 6 months ago.
Don't be concerned about the lack of an intercooler - these 1HD-FTE troopies and traytops have heaps of grunt. Max torque starts at 1400rpm - its got heaps down low.
Just go out and buy one. Come to think of it you'll probably have to order it from Japan as the dealers rarely have new stock. If you do that, you may want to consider the factory diff locks - a bargain at an extra $2400.
Cheers
Phil
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Reply By: Jason M P - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 12:02
Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 12:02
Hi bilbo.Did a bit of homework on the engines. troopy & glx have same engines.Intercooler on glx models. troopy just has no room in front of the radiator.
As it said by geoff. Now i better go and service the 05 troopy 1HD-FTE.24 valve turbo.
cheers
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Reply By: 3F62 - Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 21:09
Friday, Mar 17, 2006 at 21:09
I have a 04' troopy as my work vehicle, always loaded & DAAAMMM !! does that thing impress !!!. Now if I can just slip it into my 62 series without being noticed mmmmm !!! I'll get back 2 U.!!!!!
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