Generators & Bread Makers

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Hi, Can anyone tell me if my Honda 20i generator will run a breadmaker and what size it will run. It says 550watts on side of breadmaker.
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Reply By: Jimbo - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 16:21

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 16:21
Assuming the Gen puts out more than 550 watts (I believe the Honda 20 knocks out 2000) it will do it easily.
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Follow Up By: Notso - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 16:46

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 16:46
Yeah mate the 20I will run up about 2000 watts, it will do a bit better in a short burst, eg to start an air con unit.

The breadmaker only _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx 550 wats so will do it and run the rest f the van or whatever you ahve at the same time.

Some breadmakers have problems with some gennys but the Honda should be absoloutely fine.. I think the problem relates to the type of AC a lot of the cheaper gennys output, whereas the honda is a perfect sine wave as far as I know.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 17:03

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 17:03
thats 550 bread watts, which is close to half a normal watt, but the EU20 should still be ok. The only thing I would worry about is whether the supply from the genny is "clean" enough to allow the bread machine program to run, watt wise you're ok so give it a try in the back yard first
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Follow Up By: theshadows - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 17:26

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 17:26
lets see...
Camp oven and a fire.

Water, flour and a pinch of salt,

10 minutes of of preperation and 30 minutes later a nice damper.

na you dont need a generator, bread maker ...... blow up doll.

whoops jnust forget that I have mentioned the doll.

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Follow Up By: Notso - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 17:42

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 17:42
Yeah mate you are right. Still I travelled around Aus for 12 months and cooked it three or four times in the camp oven and about 60 times in the breadmaker, lots easier, and it gets pretty hot around a camp fire at 47 degrees celcius.

Ah well each to their own EH
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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 19:54

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 19:54
Yes I prefer to take a blow up doll than a breadmaker, sure you can sell the bread but you get far more bread hiring out your blow up friend to some desperate male travellers....
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 20:58

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 20:58
If they have the dough they could make good use of either..........................
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Reply By: StephenF10 - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 17:46

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 17:46
The quality of the power from the EU20 is not a problem - it's cleaner than mains. Our breadmaker (Sunbeam) takes about 3 hours but seems to spend a lot of time doing nothing while the bread rises. Maybe you could arrange to charge batteries or watch tv or something at the same time so that the generator is not idling for long periods.

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 20:59

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 20:59
cleaner than mains - rubbish, any load will slow the motor affecting both voltage and ferquency, and its the freq changes that will kill stuff attached to it more than the voltage
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Follow Up By: StephenF10 - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 22:05

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 22:05
You obviously don't know how an inverter generator works. Both frequency and voltage are independent of the motor speed.

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Follow Up By: Flash - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 22:23

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 22:23
Bonz,
My Kipor inverter generator has been hooked up to my oscillioscope, with varying loads. Both voltage AND wave form are absolutely outstanding.
I'm sure the Honda would be too.

A conventional generator is an entirely different story! Lots of sine wave distortion, voltage variation etc. No comparison.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 22:48

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 22:48
How much transient change is there in voltage or frequency when you suddenly add or remove loads on the Kipor - both with and wothout smart-throttle.

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Follow Up By: Flash - Monday, Mar 20, 2006 at 11:14

Monday, Mar 20, 2006 at 11:14
Mike,
obviously you can't go from NO load to MAX with smart throttle, the motor is almost idling and if suddenly wacked with 2,000 watts the motor just dies, not surprisingly.
Smart throttle off though, or more gradual load on smart throttle ie: say 800 watts suddenly up to say 1,600, no problem at all. Voltage and freq are very stable.
I believe the Honda inverter is just a fraction better at instant load increases, motor starting etc. But then it's more than twice the price- it should be better.... My 2Kva Kipor was $899 plus delivery.
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Reply By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 18:52

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 18:52
Hi Gaiste,

Just make sure there is enough fuel in the generator so it does noy cut out during a bread program.

Regards Derek.
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Follow Up By: Mikee5 - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 19:22

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 19:22
Try not to cook your bread in the middle of the night ready for breakfast. You will not make many friends that way!!!
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 21:00

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 21:00
but you might make a wad of dough
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Reply By: Member - Loco Locums - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 21:02

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 21:02
Go For it...we've been using our Honda EU20-i to run our Panasonic bread maker for around 5 years now and it does it without effort.

We use the Panasonic on the quick bake cycle so we only have to wait for 1 hour 55 minutes....so while the dough is rising we're also charging the batteries in the camper after the sun has just sunk in the West and the solar panels are cold.

Worx for us

Hmmmm can smell the bread now....
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 22:51

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 22:51
Hmmm, my Breadmaker is rated at 450 watts and I have a 500 watt Sine wave Invertor.

I think I'll run the Breadmaker via the Invertor and only run the Generator to charge the battery when needed.

Mike
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 22:58

Saturday, Mar 18, 2006 at 22:58
Jaycar is still selling these 500watt (1000watt peak) Isolated Sinewave Inverters for $179 - these are repairs and available by Mail Order ONLY from their Techstore. Mine looks like new with original packing and works perfectly.

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=JM5085

Mike
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Reply By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Sunday, Mar 19, 2006 at 11:08

Sunday, Mar 19, 2006 at 11:08
I would stick with the generator. You will be able to bake the bread on the inverter if running the breadmaker off it.

Unless you have a 50amp charger connected to the generator you won't be able to keep the power up in the battery either. You will end up with a sticky mess in more ways than one.

Regards Derek.
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Reply By: bruce - Sunday, Mar 19, 2006 at 20:05

Sunday, Mar 19, 2006 at 20:05
In a lot of places that I have been in 1-1/2 trips around Oz you would be flat out finding enough wood to start a fire let alone have a camp fire...better to use genny and bread maker...cheers
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Mar 19, 2006 at 20:50

Sunday, Mar 19, 2006 at 20:50
Is there no way to make bread using a gas stove?

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Sunday, Mar 19, 2006 at 23:52

Sunday, Mar 19, 2006 at 23:52
Yes, there is Mike.

A gas ring on the Hillybilly Camp Oven will do it easy.

Also, 7-8 heat beads in the Cobb Cooker will also suffice.
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Reply By: Member- Rox (WA) - Sunday, Mar 19, 2006 at 20:44

Sunday, Mar 19, 2006 at 20:44
I've used Honda EU10i for 1 year making bread in very remote places. You've got double size no problems.
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Reply By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Sunday, Mar 19, 2006 at 22:17

Sunday, Mar 19, 2006 at 22:17
Father inlaw runs his on an inverter until just before the bake cycle and then cooks it with his Honda 650 genny, been doing it for many years, works well.

Cheers Pesty
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, Mar 20, 2006 at 11:29

Monday, Mar 20, 2006 at 11:29
How do you change power sources to the Breadmaker - won't it start the baking cycle if you interrupt power ?

Or do you mean the Generator is used to charge the battery powering the Inverter ? (as I suggested above)

Mike
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Follow Up By: StephenF10 - Monday, Mar 20, 2006 at 14:00

Monday, Mar 20, 2006 at 14:00
Most breadmakers can cope with a minor power outage and pick up where they left off when the power comes back on.

Stephen.
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Follow Up By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Friday, Mar 24, 2006 at 16:58

Friday, Mar 24, 2006 at 16:58
Hi Mike, sorry for delay, been away working,
Yes stephen is correct, the breadmaker has a 10 minute power delay cycle.

Cheers Pesty
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Mar 24, 2006 at 17:14

Friday, Mar 24, 2006 at 17:14
Well, it looks like I have a cheap and nasty one (Breville BB200).

If I switch power off and then on again, the Breadmaker switches itself off !

Which models will retain thier settings during a brief power outage ?? I'll make sure I buy one of those next time !

Mike
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Reply By: Member - Steve & Paula - Monday, Mar 20, 2006 at 00:16

Monday, Mar 20, 2006 at 00:16
Ditto as above. We have used an Eu 10i for years to power a breadmaker. Works fine. My advice is not to use the Eco Throttle - you can but full throttle seems better. Enjoy the bread.
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