Brave New World

Submitted: Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 16:02
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The new IR Laws come into effect today. I know that there are people from all sides of the fence on here, but I'm wondering who might be the first to post saying hey guess what ? My boss fired me and I'm going bush for a well deserved 4wd holiday :))
Hopefully it will never happen.
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Reply By: Notso - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 16:16

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 16:16
AH, I dunno, might be a good thing for some of the workaholics out there??
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Reply By: cokeaddict - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 16:26

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 16:26
Sit back and watch......will be a slow start but give it time. Once one company makes the first move....watch the sheep follow.

reality is, it wont affect most, but for that 10% with no qualifications, they will be the lambs sent to the slaughter.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bradley- Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 01:09

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 01:09
Not just the unqualifieds Ange, plenty of skilled on the ropes. I'm aviation qualified and a certain "aussie" company is certainly getting the kill floor ready for production as we speak.

Overall, i'm definetly not a fan, totally unnecessary and draconian.
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Reply By: Member No 1- Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 16:26

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 16:26
my boss wont sack me....she needs the money
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 16:28

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 16:28
My boss CAN'T sack me. I have the best job in the world...but the money isn't that great :)
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Follow Up By: Old Scalyback & denny - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 20:14

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 20:14
goodday no1
cant sack me either SLAVES HAVE TO BE SOLD
lmao

steve
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 20:25

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 20:25
hours are great but the money is lowsey ?
pensioners eh?
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 22:08

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 22:08
Not pensioners number 1. Self funded fools. No tax breaks, no subsidies, no discounts etc. And still pay tax on income after all the years of slaving away to get to this stage. Wife still works to pay the bills :))
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 07:09

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 07:09
still young and able enough to work....good onya.....maybe costello can reduce the tax rate to let me save more for my retirement....wonder if my swmbo will keep working till she 70...nah dont want her to really...need to buy the kids some pots and pans so they get the hint to leave first so we can travel OZ a hell of a lot more than we have done
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Reply By: robak (QLD) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 17:01

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 17:01
Footloose

I was wondering how you were going to link this to 4WD's and ... bingo.
Well, I reckon nothin will happen unitl the economy starts to slow down and then all hell will break loose and all those 4wd tracks will be like paramatta road on a friday afternoon.

:)

R.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 17:09

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 17:09
R, doesn't impact directly on me, in fact I probably profit from it. But I have kids and of course am always worried for their future and the future of this country.
And within this future is the future of the 4wd industry. I just hope our kids can get around and enjoy what we've been able to see and experience.
I see that the "average Australian" is around 6 times more wealthy now than 10 years ago.
But I know a heck of a lot of people who'd ask where it all is.
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Reply By: Old Scalyback & denny - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 18:30

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 18:30
just my personal opinion as i dont like either side of whats being given to us in parliment at the minute but within 10yrs the kids will be back in the coal mines with what howard and his cronies have dished up today

steve
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 18:35

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 18:35
Steve,

Hear, hear, a pox on both their houses. Pity they don't have a performance rating to meet each year like a lot of us poor wage slaves. And to the smarties that will say they have to stand for re-election every few years - BOLLOCKS !!!
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 20:25

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 20:25
I think we have much in common Al.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 21:55

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 21:55
Mike,

Hahahahaha just up on one of my many soap boxes :)))))

Regards
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 22:47

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 22:47
Gramps, "a pox on both their houses". What a qaint expression.

"Alas poor Johhnie. I knew him well......and I never liked him much"

Footspere
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 23:13

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 23:13
LOL Footloose. I could'nt remember whether it came from Shakespeare (A Midsummer Night's Dream) or something that Orwell wrote. Either way it sums up how I feel about both sides of politics. The minor parties are simply there for the ride and a bloody luxurious one it is too :))))
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 23:38

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 23:38
Gramps, years ago I saw a bumper sticker "Don't vote. It only encourages them !".
How true !
And how can this be a country of free people when you can be fined or put in jail for not excercising your so called democratic right ?

Bah ! Humbug !

(No Santa for me !)
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 19:15

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 19:15
If your not pulling your weight or your pinching stuff well people will get what they deserve, Why would an Employer sack a good worker, Damn it I'm gonna sack myself right now and crack another Fosters.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bware (Tweed Valley) - Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 01:17

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 01:17
He will sack a good worker because he can get someone else to do the job for less pay. It happened to me just before xmas, before these laws were passed. I was a restaurant manager on a salary that was actually less than what I would have got as a casual on an hourly rate but it gave me a set amount every week. He explained that he couldn't afford me anymore and now employs a young woman I know for $50 less a week because he is an ar$ehole that doesn't care about people, only money. Fortunately another door opened for me. But guess what this pr1ck is saying to his new manager? "I don't think you're doing a
enough hours for the money I'm paying you". I was getting less than the award and she is getting $50 less than that!
In the hospitality industry there are plenty of employers like that and these new laws make them unaccountable for sacking people and paying them whatever they want.
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Reply By: disco driver - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 19:58

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 19:58
Hi All,
One reason of many for the new IR stuff.
The CFMEU in WA sent men off the job when the temp reached 29 C. It was TOO HOT.
Yeah thats right:- 29 C
Is it any wonder that the IR rules were changed.

Disco
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 22:26

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 22:26
I'm not aware of the circumstances of this case. But lets take a stab at it.
What degree of humidity are they talking about ?
What protective gear did they have to wear ?
What sort of physical activities were they required to undertake ?
What was the degree of temperature change in that area ie max and min ?
Were the majority of the workers working at remote locations where access to showers, air con rest areas etc might not be availiable ?
What is their average number of hours a day and days a week worked under adverse conditions ?

I'm not trying to punt for either side. All I'm hopefully doing is pointing out that there's usually more than just a headline behind the "facts".
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Follow Up By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 03:35

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 03:35
If I've got the same thing in mind as Disco, the 'building site' was actually the new rail line from Perth to Mandurah - a distance of what, 70 - 80kms?

Leightons have got themselves into no end of trouble by giving coverage of the labour on this major job to the CMFEU and have been after the Govt to bail them out well before the jobs even a third completed. However I digress.

We had a few warm days and de rules say something about tools down at 38° on the site. Now, it may have been 38° in the middle of the freeway close to the northern end of the job, but 80kms away on the coast at Mandurah it certainly wasn't - probably the 29° Disco mentions. But becaue the CMFEU usually cover building sites like a skyscaper where you can at least see from one side of the site to the other, they call the whole work area one 'site'. But the nonsense of this was that they called the 'site' a bl...dy great long ribbon about 200m wide and 80km long. All pretty much metro area.

In addition around the same time, there was this union rep who kept on telling the workers when they could knock off because of the heat or whatever supposed important reason. Leighton made the point that it is them that make the management decisions about when workers can leave the site, the union rep can make representation on behalf of workers, but is not entitled to send workers off site. So Leighton eventaully sacked the union rep cos he wouldn't pull his head in and they all went on strike for days - a week maybe. Brought the whole thing to a standstill. The sad thing for me was all the characters lining up behind the union leaders, and having to pretend they were all for it. Talk about a lack of democracy and accountability.

Funny too how a union rep ended up acting like he was the employer.
What was that book about changing sides - about pigs dressed as humans and behaving like humans - we had to read it for school; not '1984', help me out here....

Tim
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Follow Up By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 06:34

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 06:34
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 20:23

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 20:23
At the moment everything is sweet coz employers struggle to get staff. If there was a down turn in the resources boom then alot of people will be looking to go home and do what they used to and then the chickens will come home to roost with employers taking advantage with lowering pays sacking people etc. Another more insidious problem we have is the Phillipino worker it is not just hype we have it here at work. They get them over here, pay them less and the boss of the company further feathers his nest by housing them in a house owned by him charging them boarding house rates per room and makes a killing.
Luckily they have gone no further with the experiment as they have proved far less competant and have a great deal of trouble speaking and understanding English and following instructions
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Reply By: glenno(qld) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 22:02

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 22:02
I never voted for the GST.
I never voted to go to WAR.
I never voted for these barbaric IR laws.
I never voted for someone who has used all of PAULINE HANSONS ideas.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 22:14

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 22:14
Glenno, blame the system. Do we directly elect a Prime Minister ? Nope. Do we actually elect a Govt ? Sometimes. The current one didn't win enough votes to get into Govt by itself, it's a coalition ie the voters thought the opposition was better than either individual party. But yet it claims a mandate. I guess we got what we deserved.
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 12:23

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 12:23
I agree and in fact voted against these things wherever I could. But what I really don't get is how come Howard still has the highest approval rating as PM. He's given us all this and taken our guns as well - so what the bloody hell is going on. Should have a dissapproval rating of 100% but then again it depends who you're asking.

Kind regards
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 22:14

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 22:14
Footloose,

When I started work back in 1968, I worked to there conditions.
48 hour week, 5 days a week, 4 weeks annual leave, award wages, etc etc.
I worked for that company for 21 years.

I had a break for 10 years before returning to the same company.

When I returned I went back under my conditions.

24 hour week, 3 days a week, contract rates, and as much time off as I need to do 4wd trips. ( I will be away for over 7 months this year). I will not get paid from this company for the time that I am away, but I do get paid by GDT.

So much for the IR Laws.

Wayne

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 22:40

Monday, Mar 27, 2006 at 22:40
Wayne, while the IR laws might not impact on you, I know a few who they will impact severly upon. I speak of those kids who leave school at 15 / 16 to get a job.
I well remember the days when these kids would get to 18 and for some strange reason they instantly disappeared to be replaced by a younger model.
The modern version is subsidising employers to give a kid a start. When the subsidy runs out, its exit time for you boyoh.

Is it any wonder that these kids become disenchanted and cynical, and in some cases turn to other pursuits ?

So called temporary work visas. How low can you go ?

What would happen if the firm you worked for decided to go back to employing you under the conditions of 20 years ago ?

I wonder what the future holds for Australia under the new regime ? I see the laws come in and the stock market rises dramatically. Coincidence or linked ? Are we headed back to the future ?
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Reply By: Peter - Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 00:14

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 00:14
there is the saying "you get what you deserve in life." when it comes to the politicians we elect it is 100% correct. we elect them and we deserve them. then when they go and rectally probe us we whinge and moan then re-elect them and wonder why they use a bigger probe the next time. and both sides of politics are the same.
the best tag line that sums up the the apathy and stupidity of the australian voting public is "people should not fear their government. government should fear the people."
our farmers get sent out to slaughter to try to match it with subsidised farmers from other countries. we do nothing. the gst is enacted. we do nothing. the new ir laws are passed. we do nothing. telstra is to be sold. we do nothing. our manufacturer's are neglected. we do nothing. criminals have more rights than victims. we do nothing. people wait months, if not years for surgery. we no nothing.
actually i am wrong. we do something. we re-elect them. pat them on the back and say well done. have a few more years in parliament.
the sooner politicians fear us the sooner this country will get back on course. when push comes to shove politicians only have one motivation. to be re-elected. make them fear being an ordinary citizen and they will quickly do what the people want.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bware (Tweed Valley) - Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 00:50

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 00:50
Well said mate
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 01:18

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 01:18
Naturally enough, I concur.

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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 07:20

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 07:20
me too...how could one not agree?
we need more pollies (both state and fed) like SA's Mr X ...,might not be to everyones liking..(i didnt vote for him as I prefered another less likely winner er that should be loser)...but he really gets up the nose of those main two groups
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Reply By: Brew69(SA) - Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 11:02

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 11:02
HITLER OUT!!!!.....oops sorry HOWARD OUT!!!
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Follow Up By: glenno(qld) - Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 15:32

Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 at 15:32
great minds think alike
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