OFF-track tyres

Submitted: Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 05:14
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Whilst doing some research on Google I came across a Tagalong operator's site.

In Vehicle Specifications this company states that 'All vehicles are to be fitted with, “only”, the following brands of tyres: Bridgestone Dueller 661, Dunlop Super Grippers, Yokohoma 12 ply cross ply and Cooper Off Roads.'

Apart from the Yokohama 12ply Crossplies, I would have thought that the others were rather flimsy tyres for cross country travelling.

What do you reckon?
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 07:09

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 07:09
Hitler Tours....

Next, they'll be telling us the brand of fridge, 4 x 4, batteries.....

I guess there will always be some followers.

I much prefer Anarchy Tours.

Lawless Wolf.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 07:27

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 07:27
And you pay about $4000 per person for the priviledge....and that does not include your running costs(fuel etc)...lol
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 10:23

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 10:23
Willem ,

Re ; Your comments on Murchison Safaris .

Not $4000 per person . Per car about $143 , per person per day about $72 and they don't just drive the car out in front . They set up a big camp every night for cooking and eating , and provide encyclopedic travel guidance and mechanical support .

I think it's very cheap for what you get .

The tyre thing is to let people know that there are guidelines on tyres which must be followed . You failed to mention that he says if it's a problem , to contact him . Plenty of people on the last trip had different tyres to these .

The reason for this tyre guideline is because one car , amongst eight had nine punctures ( other 7 cars had a total of 4 in that time) and everyone had a crap trip waiting for them to change tyres and repairing them . Apparently it was so bad , the owner had new tyres flown in to a spot halfway through the trip ( must have been wealthy ! )

Willie
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Follow Up By: V8troopie - Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 15:03

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 15:03
I dunno about these tagalong tours. Wouldn't join one if I was paid to do so. I go out there to get away from crowds, these shows are a travelling crowd IMO. Wouldn't be surprised if they park their cars every night in a circle and herd the womanfolks inside in case wild beasts prowl around.

Where has the sense of adventure gone to? I prefer to be self sufficient and take my time to do repairs without having to worry about holding up the crowd.
Klaus
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 16:08

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 16:08
I don't think you should have any fear of being paid to join one.

The people who go on them , are people like myself who do not have the knowledge to " take their time to do repairs ". If we did go out as you suggest and get into trouble , people like you would be the first to complain about having to go out and help the idiots who should not have gone out there in the first place .

" Wouldn't be surprised if they park their cars every night in a circle and herd the womanfolks inside in case wild beasts prowl around. " You certainly have a wicked sense of humour Klaus .

Cheers ,

Willie .

Willie .
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 16:41

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 16:41
Now now Willie

In the first place:
I did not mention the company name. NOR did I REFER or INFER that that was the price that that particular company charged.

I have been researching stuff on the net and have come across a number of operators and the 4grand figure was quoted in another operators price guide.

In the second place:
I did not comment on the operators methods but only referred to proposed tyre choices and wanted to elicit comment re the particular brands.

It really bleeps me off when you mob do not read ENGLISH correctly and then fire off before the brain has engaged properly.

Cheers

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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 16:54

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 16:54
You quoted directly from the Murchison site and the next comment was "And you pay about $4000 per person for the priviledge....and that does not include your running costs(fuel etc)...lol" . So , one can only presume you were referring to the site that was giving the tyre guide lines .

There is nothing wrong with the way I read English Willem , and I can assure you that right now , my brain is well and trully engaged .

Cheers ,

Willie .
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Follow Up By: Wombat - Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 17:05

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 17:05
Willies at thirty paces?
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 17:07

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 17:07
I beg to differ Willie

I am very careful as to what I post here so as not to disadvantage a business even if I have lifted it from a website. (Now someone will find something I posted 4 years ago and show the rror of my ways)

My second comment was in a further part of this thread and unrelated to ANY PARTICULAR company.

Don't presume mate. You have stuffed up. Be a man and admit it and lets get on with life.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 20:00

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 20:00
Whatever makes you happy
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 07:15

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 07:15
guess it depends on the offtrack conditions. Desert country is certainly alot kinder on tyres than bush bashing. due to less vegetation and sandy conditions. I noticed a big difference between driving off road in the Southern sandier areas east of Norseman to the harder earthed areas to the North.
I would have thought there would be many tyres as suitable or more suitable besides those ones. Definitly would not be trusting my vehicle in remote areas off track using Radials
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 07:25

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 07:25
You up early too, Davoe...lol

Yeah this country is through the western side of the Gibson Desert. Less vegetation. Another operator having been through this country reports 9 punctures on 5 vehicles(two tyres u/s).

It is definitely not the sort of couintry you blokes do your seismic tracking in where pushing your way through scrub could be fraught with problems.

Nevertheless, I will be running MRF's and me mate MTR's(I will tell him to follow in my tracks...lol) both on splits.

Will report back later in the year.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 10:04

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 10:04
Hi Davoe ,
What about Bridgestone V steel steel radials ?
Willie
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Follow Up By: Member - David 0- Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 17:50

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 17:50
Reckon the MFR's will come up trumps :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 20:27

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 20:27
No experience with them although I assume they are simular to the michelin regroovable tyres at work wich have only 1 sidewall ply but it is steel (seem to go ok). Can you still fairly easily remove the tyre yourself?
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Thursday, Mar 30, 2006 at 12:51

Thursday, Mar 30, 2006 at 12:51
Davoe,
That's a very good question and I just assumed they would be OK to get off . Now you have got me worried .
I envy you working around Nullagine - what a fascinating area .
Thanks ,
Willie .
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Reply By: Member - David 0- Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 17:46

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 17:46
As one who has travelled the aussie outback alone a great deal I can understand the desire for people on this forum to advocate the do it yourelf apporach, and I have no objection to that.

Though as a tag-along tour operator, I must say that some of the comments are very short-sighted. Willem's original post was about tough restrictions put on tyre choice by an un-named operator, if it is a true quote, then fair comment I reckon.

As for the comments about the cost and perceived value of such tours, it may be very well for the experienced amongst us to bag tours, but to many people there are real tangible benefits to taking such tours- even for the experienced.

I have one customer who has a very very busy business operation and even the thought of arranging a trip is more than he can manage. With a tag-along he gets me to check his vehicle, I plan and cater the entire trip, and he just tags along and has a ball.

There are many reasons people choose a tag-along, maybe it isn't for you, but the huge demand for them by many suggests there is value in them for many people.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Mar 30, 2006 at 08:12

Thursday, Mar 30, 2006 at 08:12
Hi David

Yes my remark about the cost thereof was supposed to be a silly throw away line and I am not attempting to denigrade tagalong tour operators. Horses for courses!
Not every one who goes bush is confident of what they are attempting and needs guidance.

Cheers
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 23:36

Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 at 23:36
Hi willem

I'm on the second set of telecom tyres and no flates and have traveled some track.
have pulled some small stakes out but still no flates
low milage but you can't have your dope and smoke it to

Richard

PS I dont see anything wrong with your post
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Mar 30, 2006 at 08:15

Thursday, Mar 30, 2006 at 08:15
Hi Richard

Thanks.

Yes, I used Telecom tyres for years. Will be using some on the trailer for upcoming trips. No doubt we shall see what transpires along the way this year but I am confident we wont have any major problems.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - John A (SA) - Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 12:28

Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 12:28
Richard
What do you mean by Telecom Tyres.
Are they the traditional 750 x 16 rag plys?

Cheers

John
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 13:52

Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 13:52
Dunlop 750x16 Road Gripper Radials aka Telecom/Telstra tyres

Years ago all Telecom/Telstra 4x4 vehicles were shod with Dunlop Road Grippers Radials, hence the colloquial name....lol
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 22:17

Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 22:17
John
Please note that they are Dunlop 750x16 Road Gripper Radials type "F"
Standard fitment on all standard Land Cruisers

Richard

Thanks Willem I could not have put it better
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