Unspirited QLD'rs
Submitted: Sunday, Apr 02, 2006 at 20:24
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Trevor R (QLD)
Went out to lock the hubs in today with a few of the regulars on this
forum, but found out too late (like this morning) that earlier this week a few other qld'rs wanted to do just this. My appologies to those concerned, it was all a bit "at the last minute" type thing. Regardless those that did go, I'm sure will agree, enjoyed themselves immensely. Only one sidestep being the casualty, so you got to be happy with that. We won't talk about Pezza's winching technique, will we Pezz.
Anyway for any other QLD'rs interested in future outings, if you respond to this post, I will keep your details and try to give you a bit of notice for the next one. Which is hopefully soon. Vice versa, keep me in mind if you are planning something similar yourself and want company.
Cheers to all who turned up today.
Regards Trevor.
Reply By: Member - Pezza (QLD) - Sunday, Apr 02, 2006 at 21:49
Sunday, Apr 02, 2006 at 21:49
G'day Trev,
Mate if you had of been pushing me as hard as you did Roofscooter I wouldn't of had to winch!
Great photo's Andrew, just remind me to steal your camera next time to take some shots of you.
Thanks Bob for supplying an enourmous amount of entertainment with that overgrown rice bubble of yours in proving it's capabilities are certainly not to be under estimated.
Mark and Jo, I really feel for you guys being the only ones to sustain any damage, I know it was only a side step, but damage nevertheless, and still a cost factor which I know you guys are very conscious of at the moment. You still amaze me with your ability and determination for someone who has never driven a 4by till a couple of months ago,
well done again!
My appologies along with Trevors to those QLDers who were looking for a weekend out, but I haven't had a whole lot of time on the
forum lately and usually just skim over the days latest and missed those posts completely, was only aware of them when it was mentioned this morning.
We will certainly make sure you are notified for the next one.
Thanks again everyone for a great day.
Avagoodn
Pezza
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:14
Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:14
Guys, it looks like you had some great fun there but a couple of things struck me looking at the pictures. The first one of these is the steepness of the actual terrain actulally has come out fairly
well, but I assume that. The other is the tyre pressures look like road pressures.
Am I wrong in those assumptions
1 the terrain?
2 the tyre pressures? When I have been in the
Vic High Country with stone and mud or the
Otways where muddy conditions can prevail or in
the Pyrenees with the stone base I have always aired down nearly as much as hard sand where you may get some softness. It will give a lot more traction and overcome the immediate need for winch use.
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:44
Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:44
Yeah I noticed that too! The steepness that is! I can rarely capture the steepness of the terrain my mates and I drive on in the photos! Was it a special technique or was it just REEEAAALLLY steep? haha!
Scoey!
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:45
Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:45
G'day
John,
Yes some sections were quite steep, but we did air down. Where Pezza needed the winch was only faint tyre tracks leading to nowhere and he was down to about 22PSI off memory (Pezz correct me if I'm wrong) the rest of the run was quite rocky and not needing less air than we were running.
That is a good point for those not in the know though, tyre pressure (or lack there of) can play a big part in how far you get.
Regards Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:49
Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:49
Scoey,
I think you will find Andrew (the photoghrapher) is just a REALLY GOOD photoghrapher ??? Not sure but he did do a great job nontheless. Only a few Reaaally steep bits.
Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Member - Pezza (QLD) - Tuesday, Apr 04, 2006 at 00:53
Tuesday, Apr 04, 2006 at 00:53
Hi
John,
Trevor was close, I had 20psi in the front and 18psi in the back,I find that's generaly enough for most of the stuff out there, I have a habit of letting my adrenalin get the better of me and end up getting some sideways action at anywhere between 60 and 90kph every so often, hence I don't let too much air out.
Where I got lack of forward momentum was REALLY soft dry rubble stuff, could have gone down to 14 or so I suppose, but was just as easy to winch as I only had about 4-5mtrs to the top.
Avagoodn
Pezza
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Tuesday, Apr 04, 2006 at 08:16
Tuesday, Apr 04, 2006 at 08:16
I guess guys, I was trying to elicit that you did and highlight to any readers that it is the best way to maintain traction. Thank you.
The tyres didn't appear in the photos to have bagged much to get the longer tread contact. You could have gone down further - much further for the weight of the vehicle obviously. I have the fronts of Moses at about 16psi and the rears at 18-22psi because of the weight carrying and distribution. Not that I know much about tyres relatively speaking, just that there is no danger at the lower speeds. There is a lot positive about the lack of slip, lower impact driving. In very soft sand just below 10psi in the fronts. I guess that the pressure guages get pretty inaccurtate at that level though.
It is the contact length rather than the width that is the benefit on gravel, sand and unstable
rock.
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Reply By: Jo and Mark - Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:18
Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:18
Hi everyone!
Thanks heaps, we had a great day as per usual with you all, (except for the thumping of my headache... had it since the day before but did you think that would stop me from coming.... I don't think so!)
Andrew you did an awesome job with the photos, We all really appreciate what you did!
As for the side step.... nothing a hammer, drill and if necessary an angle grinder can't fix!!!!
See now that is what happens when you go and play without a lift kit!
But we nearly did make it!
Will have to start my Dear Santa letters early this year!
Anyone who asks us about it Trev, we'll just tell them a chicken did it!
A great day guys and looking forward to our next destination!
Jo
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:46
Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:46
As I say Jo & Mark, better a side step than a door sill! ;-) And I tend to say that a bit driving a standard height 80 Series with the standard GXL Alluminium side steps! haha!!
Scoey!
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:54
Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:54
Mark, Jo,
Give me a yell if you want a hand with the reconstruction of Jero's sidestep. The small ding is already out of mine. And only one chook could cause so much damage to one car and I've already accounted for that one.
Scoey,
Try saying it in a standard Pajero with standard alloy sidesteps (I'm sure you would be saying it more often hahaha). Mark is actually a really good driver and more damage would have come from his efforts with a lesser driver.
Regards to you all Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 11:46
Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 11:46
Yeah I guess I would! I reckon, hats off to all of you - looked like some decent tracks there and to only cop a single dinged side step is testament to all the drivers ability! A coupla rocks on one of the pics looked like they might've taken more than the odd side step in the past!
Cheers
Scoey!
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Follow Up By: Jo and Mark - Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 13:04
Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 13:04
Hi Scoey! nice to meet you!
Funny how pictures never really truly show you what the rocks, or the cimb really is like,
OK Trev.... An
emu it was!
Mark is liking the thought of what you or Perry I think it was that said about ditching the steps alltogether and putting some metal piping or something underneath? Mark is a handy guy, if he got his hands on a welder or someone who could do a better job at it than him he would do it himself. Andrew you'd definately have to be around with the camera for that!
You took a pair of pliers to yours hey Trev? I saw it there but thought that was already there from when we were at Imbil.
Certainly would have been a sight to see Bob go it.... Suzi would have just bounced on up! but certainly with more damage than a crushed side step!
But oh what a sight that would have been, an absolute 'Kodak' moment!.
That's it Andrew.... you have now officially been named Kodak! (or Fuji... )
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 16:39
Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 16:39
Jo....
lots of guys build their own tube steps,,, just make sure you use 4mm minimum (6mm would be better) tube for strength!!
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Follow Up By: Jo and Mark - Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 20:31
Monday, Apr 03, 2006 at 20:31
Just told Mark to keep that for a mental note.
You'll have to join us all on a day trip somtime Brian!
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Tuesday, Apr 04, 2006 at 06:16
Tuesday, Apr 04, 2006 at 06:16
For sure we'll be there Jo..... we had a club trip out to City View on Sunday, some nice tracks out there!
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Follow Up By: Jo and Mark - Wednesday, Apr 05, 2006 at 07:50
Wednesday, Apr 05, 2006 at 07:50
We have been out to City View.. they were going to do new maps and remarked the tracks because it was hard to follow in some
places.
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Wednesday, Apr 05, 2006 at 08:00
Wednesday, Apr 05, 2006 at 08:00
The maps are full of info..... for me they have too much info on 'em, but that's just an opinion. We did the easy loop up to the lookout, then back down towards the front, dropped ontp Jeepers Descent, missed the medium loop but found the Gorge Loop quite fun! Lunch at another lookout, it was a good day!
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