100 LC TD Versus V8

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one for the experts......is it worth the extra $$$........$10000+ buys a lot of petrol
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Reply By: pmacks - Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 08:24

Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 08:24
Simple answer Nope,

not in my case anyway i would change the vehicle over well before i got the extra $$$$$ back in savings

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Reply By: JohnN - Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 08:31

Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 08:31
If it is purely a ? of $ then maybe not.

But most people who drive these sort of vehicles have much more go into their decision.....
keeping it 3-5yrs or 10
lots of accessories or few
remote travel or more local etc etc..

Also it is hard to value the driving experience unless you drive both back to back... they are quite different in different conditions.

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Reply By: Member - Wim (Qld) - Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 08:40

Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 08:40
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Given the ever changing difference in the per ltr cost of ULP v diesel it may be difficult to work out.
My reasoning was "range". I have had petrol 4by's and had to carry too much fuel.
Lots of pluses and minuses, I guess it comes done to personal preference again.

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Reply By: Turbo Diesel - Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 09:16

Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 09:16
YES IT IS WORTH THE EXTRA DOLLARS SIMPLE AS THAT!!!! Dont let any petrol head convinve you other wise, you see its not just about fuel cost, but rather rev and torque range, gear ratios, electronics, resale value and of course fuel economy. The V8 sucks that much fuel its disgusting, you have to consider that at 20 cents a litre more for diesel you stll get better economy than the V8. The real question is what can you afford???? Then ask yourself why do Toyota charge so much more for the TD than the V8??? Because its a better more refined motor, with bucket loads of power torque? By the way my father in law picked his up for $64,990 on road and put another $25g's worth or ARB gear on it, let me tell you it is unreal?
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Follow Up By: Member - Ivan (ACT) - Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 18:05

Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 18:05
Well, by golly - thats one eyed!!

I'm not saying there's anything at all wrong with the TD, in fact if I had a choice between the two, I'd take the TD... But I was faced with this choice and couldn't justify it either - can tell you now that there is nothing wrong with my rev and torque range, gear ratios, or electronics - happy for you to show me otherwise - not too much I can't do that a TD can...

I have an ARB bar, Kaymar rear bar, 180 litre Long Ranger tank (plus the 90l standard), 285/75 MTRs, Rhino Rack, and still getting 17 litres per 100..

Yep, TD will have better resale - but it costs a $hitload more to buy in the first place.

Will it have better economy? - you can't do a "litre per 100 km" comparison - you need to look at total cost of ownership. When you do the maths with that in mind, you may well come up with a different answer...

Mine cost $55k. You gotta draw the line somewhere, and I'm happy where I drew mine..

It is NOT "SIMPLE AS THAT".....

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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 12:33

Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 12:33
Agree with you Ivan. I can't explain it, but I have a sneaking suspicion in the back of my mind that TURBO DIESEL is slightly biased :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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Follow Up By: Turbo Diesel - Monday, Apr 10, 2006 at 09:07

Monday, Apr 10, 2006 at 09:07
Guys relax it ok just an opinion! Remember the Question "The real question is what can you afford??" Gramps you think I'm biased maybee the smartest words spoken yet, Ivan the V8's are a great car we have them here at work or at least the Boss does. However still feel the Turbo is a more respected motor in the 4wd world thats all. Hope all have a good day!
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Apr 10, 2006 at 09:26

Monday, Apr 10, 2006 at 09:26
TD,

hahahaha only stirring mate. Trust Nudie to stir up the old diesel vs petrol debate. He'll start posting re fridges and tyres next LOLOL
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Reply By: Griddo - Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 09:44

Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 09:44
Memeber No 1

I have just gone through the process, I traded my 2000 TD manual in for a 2006 V8 Petrol auto. I did some calcs and you have to keep the vehicles to about 180000 - 200000 km to warrant the differance between the two. The vehicle is only going to be used around town and to on the occasional trip of about 2-3 hrs

If you are going to be doing a lot of towing or long distance driving eg around australia, go the turbo. People are right the V8 does suck the juice. I haven't done 1000km's yet so I hope it's starts to get better. A couple of people I know have the V8 and they reckon they get better as they wear in

One good thing is that when you put the foot into it you know it will get up and go

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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 15:34

Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 15:34
your calculations are out as after 5 years of ownership a diesal will kill the v8 for resale. in 5 years many people like you will be flooding the market with the v8 where as the TD will remain much sought after as a second hand buy
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Follow Up By: Griddo - Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 15:42

Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 15:42
Davoe

When it comes to resale it is always going to be a grey area. I really only looked at the running costs of the vehicle, the amount of km's I am going to do ( it's my wifes car so I should say what she is going to do) and what I needed at the time.

Don't get me wrong the TD I had was a great car but no one can guess at what the trade in fiigures are going to be in another 3-4 yrs when I update.

The car will never do over 15000km per year and most of those will be in short trips to an from town and the weekly run out to the father inlaws winery ~ 30 mins away.

If all the rumours are true and toyota bring out a v8 diesel in the next generation of landcruiser then again I might look at one but the V8 suits my needs
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Reply By: camship - Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 09:53

Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 09:53
In my experience the resale value difference is considerable and even more so now that fuel prices have gone up and so many people have bailed out of there v8 cruisers and 4.7 patrols.
Therefore I think it is worth the extra spend for sure.

Ps. That V8 is a sweet one though.
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Reply By: Member - George (WA) - Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 11:46

Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 11:46
My new L/C 4.2 Turbo Diesel has done just over 2000 km. All city driving so far but allready I am getting the economy of 10L/100km. I think this will get better as the motor is run-in. Did not even consider the V8 for various reasons allready mentioned above
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 15:30

Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 15:30
Oh Follicly Challenged One ,

I has a TD 80 , then a petrol 100 . I could not wait to get back into a diesel again .Diesel is much easier to get hold of in remote areas and I don't like carrying jerry cans of petrol around . With the long range tank in the TD I have terrific range .

The TD has greater resale value too - when they are advertised , they go quickly .
Unless you want to leadfoot it on short trips and around town , I can see no reason ( except initial outlay ) to go for the V8 .

You will be tearing your hair out at the petrol bills , and YOU can't afford to do that !

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Follow Up By: Member - TPM (SA) - Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 20:03

Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 20:03
I am with you Willie, if going remote diesel is the best, if worst comes to worst you can buy fuel from mining, trucking,land owners etc. Plus who ever heard of sniffers breaking into a diesel to get high.

Service wise also, its easier to do a service in a remote location, change a few filters and away you go. Try changing eight plugs in 40 plus degrees with the BH asking how much longer are we here for. Even long life plugs can go early.
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Follow Up By: Gu_Patrol - Sunday, Apr 09, 2006 at 11:31

Sunday, Apr 09, 2006 at 11:31
I would rather change 8 sparkplugs then 6 injectors.
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Reply By: Jimbo - Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 20:04

Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 20:04
Bored eh Nudie?

The reponses are a little disappointing. Nowhere near as vigorous as you would have hoped.

Not so much as a decent insult yet. Perhaps the banning of Ozi and Musty was a bad thing LOL.
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 11:42

Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 11:42
no just trying to make up my mind...and swmbo's....have to justify the extra cost some 11.5k for diesel above v8
have 4.5 now and can afford to run that...but need convincing that spending all that extra is worth it or should i buy a new revolver or rifle

did they really get banned?
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 12:38

Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 12:38
MN1,

It's a no brainer! Get the revolver AND the rifle. Getting tentative in your old age eh :))))))
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 12:45

Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 12:45
You are serious, I thought you were just after a bit of fun. Me, I'd go Petrol every time. They work out cheaper to run once you factor everything in (eg the interest on the extra $10 large is going to cost you $800 a year). More power, better performance, better towing ability (forget that crap about low down torque, it doesn't anywhere near high up power), safer overtaking etc.

From memory the LC gas a big tank so range shouldn't be a problem. That's the only gripe with my Terracan, a V6 and a 75L tank don't get you far, especially towing.

Yeah they got banned ages ago. I popped onto the Overlander forum last night for the first time in ages and found that Musty has been given the Tijuana Brass there as well. And they flung Ozi there over a year ago; same stuff using half a dozen different sign ons to promote himself and sell his products.
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 16:52

Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 16:52
get both you reckon gramps...what a brilliant idea...
but hang on...i might have to stay with the 4.5lc....but i could borrow a bit more hehehe
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 16:57

Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 16:57
Now your talking :) If you're spending that much, you've got to get some other toys as well LOL
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 17:01

Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 17:01
Jimbo...yes they do have 140 litre tank..the 4.5 hasnt been a problem with fuel...4 jerries in the trailer has generally seen to that...so far to date anyhow

yep the expense to go turbo is a lot and needs justifying.....i am leaning turbo but toomorrow it could be petrol....

will digest all that has been said here.... who knows? i might go get a patro....spit spit spit....no no no no just joking

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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 17:08

Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 17:08
gramps..the safe is fast running out of room....i will need to get another and thats going to cause BIG problems if i do....she will want to know why and how many i have ...at last count i only had 6 in total....
she'll kill me if she found out how $$$$ has been spent since..and i am not mentioning anything about the one on order

mmmm....i'm going to lay low for a while
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 17:18

Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 17:18
hahahaha probably a good idea. Looks like you've got lots of brownie points to accumulate LOL
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 21:25

Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 21:25
yeah...you should recall whats it like

we blokes are always in the sheit...its just the depth that varies
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Apr 09, 2006 at 13:12

Sunday, Apr 09, 2006 at 13:12
hahaha know all about that. It's just one of the crosses we mere males have to bear :((((

Anyway, came across this.

Regards
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Apr 09, 2006 at 13:15

Sunday, Apr 09, 2006 at 13:15
Bugger !!! It was supposed to show a new safe. Just click on Manager's Specials on the left and scroll down to the Biometric lock safe by Sentry.

Hmmm the lever action 12ga looks interesting :)))))
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Sunday, Apr 09, 2006 at 16:31

Sunday, Apr 09, 2006 at 16:31
not a bad price.....
but where will i hide it

the lever action does sound interesting eh....mmmm as a licenced firearms instuctor i should have one of those..... shouldnt I
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Apr 09, 2006 at 21:01

Sunday, Apr 09, 2006 at 21:01
hahahaha in the shed, under a tarp. I hope you have a sign on your shed door stating 'Secret Men's Business' or similar. I find it helps if you just leave stuff all over the floor. Swmbo won't go anywhere near it as she's afraid something nasty lives there (she's right - me !!! ).

As a licensed peacemaker you should definitely have one :))))))))
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Reply By: 100TD - Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 21:10

Friday, Apr 07, 2006 at 21:10
Oh No1 should you even ask a question like that,not that i am 1 eyed or anything BUY THE TD!.Look at the price of petrol 80s compared to the TDs and how hard is it to buy one?I havnt looked back since getting one in 2003 and LOVE IT!cheers Paul
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Reply By: Rowie - Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 00:35

Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 00:35
Considering the TD Cruiser has decent performance to start with coming out of a 4.2lt compared to the likes of the overstressed Nissan Patrol 3.0TD or asthmatic performing 4.2TD Patrol, the only considerations in comparisons between V8 Petrol and TD Cruaiser are;

1. How long are you going to keep the vehicle?
If basing your decision purely on running costs alone, then less than 200,000km
of ownership sees the scales tipped towards the V8.

2. How are you going to use it?
A V8 used for regular 4wd touring and non bitumen type driving isn't going to
be worth much at all with 200,000km on the clock, whereas a TD in the same
condition will still be viewed very favourably.

3. If using it for regular non city (country/remote area/outback trips) how
significant is the abysmal fuel range of the V8? With the missus, kids &
associated supplies on board, the V8's consumption is VERY scary, most
owners openly admit to it being pathetic. Tow a decent caravan & be
prepared for 30lt per 100km consumption. With this in mind your planning
needs to be far more precise regarding fuel stops on your planned route.

4. Many NT communites ONLY HAVE DIESEL.

The convenience factor of not having to stop so frequently for fuel also needs to have weighted importance in many cases.

Eg. on a recent day trip with several friends in IDENTICAL LANDCRUISERS, 2 petrol, 2 diesel (we all travelled Indian File) the economy figures were worlds apart. The Petrols returned 8.9mpg, Diesels 15.8mpg. Lousy figues yes, but the conditions were identical for all 4 and the terrain was challenging. Moral is your tanks full of diesel gets you a lot further than a petrol.

4. LPG & hot climates don't mix. Towing a decent caravan in addition to this is a
recipe for disaster! LPG is even less available than Petrol in remote areas. LPG
burns @ about 250deg hotter than petrol and engines on LPG don't like the top
half of Australia when towing a caravan when on an LPG diet. (Even the Taxis
in Darwin & Townsville aren't on LPG)

5. Are you going to tow with the vehicle much?
6. If so how much weight?
The more frequently you tow and the heavier the load, the greater the
justification for the TD

Having driven both vehicles from Melb to Syd towing a Horse Float, there is NO WAY ON EARTH I'd buy a V8 petrol.

Yes the $10,000 price difference does buy a lot of fuel if you buy a V8, but you will be needing to stop for Petrol a LOT more often than Diesel, which is very annoying.

With all the other factors in mind, including resale value as a % of purchase price, the TD is a much better longterm option and I'd suggest that 100,000km of TD ownership and factoring in resale% would be very close. But with a Diesel you will only have to stop for fuel a 1/3 less times and have greater use flexibility.

The more you intend to use the vehicle for what is was designed for and the longer you intend to keep it, the greater the argument for getting a TD.

Put a nice 3inch Mandrel Exhaust, Extractors, a Uni Filter and a Chip in the Diesel and you are set. Power & Torque will be noticeably improved & WAY ahead of the standard V8 as well as having better economy than the standard TD. I know of a TD with more the above improvements with about 230kw that's travelled more than 180,000 km which has included lots of 160km/h plus "NT cruising" that will blow your mind!

Give the V8 a miss!


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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Sunday, Apr 09, 2006 at 11:09

Sunday, Apr 09, 2006 at 11:09
LPG works fine in Townville. I had a Patrol on LPG when I lived there and it was fine and I towed with it.

Other than that a very balanced, unbiased, sensible diatribe, ROFLMAO.
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Reply By: Member No 1- Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 11:49

Saturday, Apr 08, 2006 at 11:49
thanks for the replies guys
i have my mind set on diesel.....but now wonder if a divorce really worth it...certainly cheaper
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