Gaining access to National parks? Easier to raise the Titanic?

Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 15:25
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Hi I was wondering if it was worth trying to gain access to National parks. You know all them locked gates A Idea I had for 4wd tours. LOL
I like to try things the hard way.
Thanks
Peter
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 15:33

Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 15:33
4X4 Monthly is doing a story soon about track closures and the like. If you are aware of any places where access is being denied and / or services removed (or it is expected to happen soon) they seem keen to get the info.

It wouldn't hurt to give them a hand on this one.
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Reply By: phantom - Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 15:47

Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 15:47
Hey Fergus,
You will hate me for this but I have a key to all the Parks gates in NSW.
I wonder what I would get for it on ebay...LOL
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Follow Up By: cruiser - Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 16:52

Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 16:52
He might not be in NSW
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 16:59

Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 16:59
Hehehehe I've got one too. It's red with black handles :)))))))))
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Follow Up By: phantom - Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 17:01

Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 17:01
Sorry Cruiser,
My ignorance! I am only familiar with NSW as being the State with the gates everywhere. I know nothing of Qld and Vic. I am in WA where there are not too many gates that prohibit you going wherever you want.
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Follow Up By: fergus - Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 17:02

Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 17:02
supose u won't cut me one. LOL
and yes I am in NSW.
Peter
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Reply By: cruiser - Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 17:42

Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 17:42
I may be wrong in saying this, and I am willing to be corrected on this, but I seem to recall sometime back the Secretary of our club reading out in the Correspondence In, that the NSW NPWS has an arrangement (read payment required) with Tour Operators who apply, to give them keys to certain lockout areas thereby giving them exclusive access.

Might be worth checking out with Head Office of NPSW at Hurstville.

www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/ might give you a phone number.

Good luck.
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Follow Up By: Batboy - Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 18:14

Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 18:14
If thats true I would be thoroughly bleep off! I hate the way tour operators get exclusive parking and camping areas at some national parks and places like Fraser Island, usually nearer and better than the other parks. Give them exclusive access to National Parks? No Bloody way!!

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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 18:59

Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 18:59
cruiser,

4WD clubs have more access to closed tracks than Tour Operators.
Not only do we have to pay to go into all Nat Parks, even though any one else can drive in to some and not have to pay, we don't get any special arrangements.

Wayne
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Follow Up By: cruiser - Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 19:12

Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 19:12
In all fairness, I should have added that the NSW NPWS also hassing out an arrangement with the NSW 4WD Association that part of the MOU (Memorandum Of Understanding) allow access to lock out areas of National Parks to member 4WD Clubs.

Apparently the deal will be that member clubs apply to NPWS and when approval is given, a key will be available to the club and only a certain number of vehicles will be allowed into that NP on a given date.

There is also discussion about member clubs of the association being able to go into NP under NPWS supervision to do certain work for NPWS, such as count the number of specific plants along a certain trail or to clear certian trails etc etc

Guess time will tell. it seems that NPWS have realised that they do not have the financial and staff resources required to look after the huge areas they now control.
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 19:15

Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 19:15
BB you may be pi$$ed off that tour opperators can get special access into some National Parks but I'm sure you don't want to pay the fees or do the paper work they do. $500+ for the permit per year, $1.10 per person per night camping fee (I think that ones gone up) Send an itinery with names of participants, detailing cars the route, camping spots & emergency action plan to Nat Parks office for every trip. Accredited tour opperators deserve special access :-)
Cheers Craig.............
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Follow Up By: Batboy - Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 21:30

Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 21:30
Like hell. They are CHARGING people to go to on the tour. They run a business so have to jump through hoops just like other business operators and pay fees associated with operating their business. Its not done for free.

Why should tour operators have special access just so they can make money taking paying customers to the same places I wanna take myself? BTW I would quite happily pay $500/year for "special" access and I believe we pay $4.00/night camping

I have a lot of paperwork and overhead costs in my business but that is covered by my hourly rate as would be the same with tour operators. I don't have a problem with tour operators until they start taking over and individuals are pushed out.

Ever been behind a tour bus on Fraser Island? Buggers will be travelling along a track then stop right in the middle with no way to pass for up to 5 mins to give the passengers "the tour"
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 06:55

Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 06:55
Quite a few tracks in Vic are locked in winter but that is just to protect the tracks. It sounds as if locking up large sections of NPs in NSW is the norm? How strange. What right does government have to lock us out of our own land for no good reason? If that is the case I suggest an angle grinder and generator should be carried as standard equipment in NSW - the French people have the courage to change bad law and so should we.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - Bware (Tweed Valley) - Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 09:18

Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 09:18
Yes Mike, it is the norm. Quite a few NPs were originally state forests with tracks everywhere. Once they are declared NPs all the tracks are locked up except for the main track through the park. It sucks. There has always been oposition to it but it goes ahead anyway. Beach access is also a big issue.
Absolutely agree with your last sentence.
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Reply By: Hairy - Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 18:14

Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 18:14
Lucky you dont live in the Territory! The governments latest is they are going to hand the NATIONAL parks over to the Blackfellas, and yes they are serious!
The reason being, acording to the cheif minister, is it will save us money!
If we give the parks to them now we wont have to fight land claims in court!
F#*@&ng geniuses!!!
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 23:10

Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 23:10
Hairy

Con't get a bite on this thread

Try reading (PostID: 32802)

"Blackfellas"
"Im not political or raciist so I wont get into a debate but that comment couldnt be further from the truth."

Richard

And do a Google on "Ian Builder"

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Follow Up By: Member - Tony G (ACT) - Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 07:10

Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 07:10
Richard I don't mind being called a "Blackfella" if you don't mind being called a "Whitefella".
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Follow Up By: Joe King - Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 11:54

Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 11:54
Well said Tony, I reckon you could only take offence to being called either if you were'nt proud of what you are...
JK
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 23:07

Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 23:07
Cool Tony

I was not talking to you

I would be offended if called by ever name

Richard Kovac

Ps it would be like calling me a WOG
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Reply By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 23:50

Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 at 23:50
Pick the right tracks and you have access to most parks for free.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 12:06

Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 12:06
Think they are referring to the lockem up mentallity from over East. Dont recall having much trouble over here - just the odd track for dieback
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Reply By: Mr Fawlty - Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 12:00

Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 12:00
Raise the Titanic???
Well tomorrow, 13 April at 11am est will be the 94th aniversary of captian John Smith uttering those imortal words..."I am just going to get some ice"
Sorry can't help myself, I just wonder why my brain is full of such irrelevant trivia & I don't pay bills on time...
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Follow Up By: Joe King - Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 15:11

Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 15:11
Isn't he also famous for saying...
"Where's all this F*%#@n' water coming from?"
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Reply By: Black Stump - Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 16:42

Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 at 16:42
Be very weary if NPWS (DEC) do a plan of management (POM) for your favourite national park. It will go like this:

All trails off the main trails will be kept as management trails.

then in the fine print at the end:
All management trails will be accessible by authorised NPWS vehicles only (read big bloody gate and locked up for ever). There goes your favourite camping area / tracks.

It's not even about $$$ to maintain - it's about extreme green ideology coming out of hurstville and state labour governement - they don't want any human to even set foot in there - let alone drive in. Bob Carr was the icing on the cake - when he goes bush for a walk he just fly's in, in a chopper!

Take Barrington Tops national park - there is the Barrington Trail which is now a one way in one way out dead end!

And don't forget about lockout creep: state forests become national parks which in turn get poms submitted then lockout or they become part of larger wilderness areas which are TOTAL LOCKOUT.
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Reply By: macca172 - Thursday, Apr 13, 2006 at 19:42

Thursday, Apr 13, 2006 at 19:42
For us NSW guys, we all know how the RTA screwed up the city traffic at the expence of the tax paying motorist, to appease the wants of the multi nationals, well mark my words, watch the bush police(NSWNP) do the same thing to appease the wants of the leftist greenie movement.
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