Another 3.0l Nissan expires.

Good on you Truckster, first cab off the rank.
But I do feel sorry for this friend of mine, a good bloke (shearer) salt of the earth and like so many of that ilk has trust in what he was sold. Was expecting to go up to the gulf at the end of the month for the annual fishing trip. Now stuffed.
What an end for a $50000 purchase of something you hope lasts for years.
Glad I have a toyo as well as a disco!
kesh

If he had a 4.2 he would still be going fishing.

If not going for the Chev V8 diesel conversion , Brunswick would still be worth a call as they may have a few used ZD30's in the workshop taking up valuable space.

The 3.0 have smaller gearboxes too, so that'll need to be swapped out for a 6.5 from memory.

$25K drive in / drive out is my guess. Ouchhhhhh!

I've just put a Brunswick Chev V8 in a 1999 Patrol. Been driving it for 5 days now and thus far I'm well pleased.

A full review will follow in a different thread along with a comparison with much loved but well stolen 100 Series GXL TD Landcruiser.

Bilbo

how much drive in drive out Bilbo?
what model is yours

Time for a class action I think.

It would be a definite winner according to a lwyer I spoke to. Plenty of precedent.

Dave O

3.0 is ok as it's the same as 4.2. the 2.8 is the bleep y one.

Leroy

Leroy said............"3.0 is ok as it's the same as 4.2."..........

Sorry mate.....not quite sure I follow your drift here????? Last time I looked there was a few differences between the 3L and the 4.2......

Please explain......

Cheers

Roachie

Roachie,
He (Leroy) wuz torkin' about the gearbox... (in response to an earlier follow-up)..

3.0 L & 4.2 have the same (manual) g'box...

Catch ya later.. Ed. C.

Truckster 'n Roachie,

I've written a long report on the Chev Nissan in a seperate thread.

Since driving the Chev,,,,,,,,,,,my sex life has improved!

Bilbo

Bilbo, any chance of a breakdown on the quote for just the engine swap - without all the extras? Driev in drive out

Dont be misled with the Nissan 3LT as there is a series of them with a faulty engine and you should check out the engine number and no warranty expires with this unit and should be replaced free of charge irrespective of when it blows.
No bull there was about 150 units sold in Aus with this motor so Im told.
I ope this is one for your benefit.
Wheeley

Heres a better option!

CHEV 6.6LT DURAMAX DIESEL- New Motor

Chev 6.6LT 2004 model Duramax 300HP Turbo Diesel comes with alloy heads, computer, direct injection, air alternator,air cond, starter, turbo, engine displacement 402CID (6599CC) Cost $12000
12 months guarantee.

Wonder if this would fit my GU instead of the chev - Duramax 300HP V 170HP 6.5 Chev

Hi Truckster
How come its a new motor as a 2004 model.
The price is right I was looking at the 6.5 Chev new and it was $15000 at 4x4 Off Road at Archerfield Qld.
Would you say where that one is at it might be worth a look to replace my 5.8L Hino.
Wheeley

Good mate of mine runs a Duramax over in Colorado. Reckons it fairly hoots. I believe there's a new 6.0l out that'll outdo it again. Where's do you get the Duramaxes from? Cheaper than a Toyota TD and commensurate with a RECON 6.5.

Here's a couple of links to check out Truckster....

Diesel Doctor

thedieselstop

The Chev 6.2 / 6.5 page appears to be cactus rootus unfortunately.

Wheely.
It would be superseeded motor. You can buy 1HZs from toyota new in crate that are old stock.

Another of interest but small and high stressed compared.

The C320 CDI comes with a brand-new 3-litre V6 motor with intercooler and variable nozzle turbines to replace the outgoing 2.7-litre 5-cylinder, and it proves to be quite a revelation.

Torque, as expected, is absolutely seamless, with 400 Nm - approximately 80% of the maximum - on call from as low as 1 200 to 1 400 r/min.

Maximum power is 165 kW, while max. torque is 510 Nm from 1 600 to 2 800 r/min.

V8Diesel
www.suburbanimports.com.au/motors.htm

CHEV 6.6LT DURAMAX DIESEL- Good used Motor.
Chev 6.6LT 2003 model Duramax 300HP Turbo Diesel comes with alloy heads, computer, power steer, direct injection, air conditioning, alternator, starter, turbo, engine displacement 402CID (6599CC) Cost $8000 #190. 6 months guarantee.

Another that would be nice is

CHEV 4.3 LT- 262 V6 New Fuel Injected Motor.
Comes with Vortec injection, electronic distributor, drive plate, exhaust manifolds, balancer Cost $4950 #A134. 12 months guarantee. 100% new

or

CHEV ZZ 502CI- New Motor. 100% new
Chevrolet ZZ 502CI Motor. Comes with Holley Carberettor, HEI Distributor, leads, Performance Alloy intake, alloy heads, water pump, harmonic balancer, flex plate, 4 Bolt, steel crank, forged pistons, forged rods, drive plate. Cost $14050 #512C.Horsepower 502 @ 5200rpm, Torque 567ft lbs @ 4200rpm, compression 9.6:1. 12 months guarantee.

PS..
got this from OL today from Jason.

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Anthony is putting the 6cyl Cummins in his Hybrid TJ. Worth having a look whilst you have your tape measure out.
Teuton Engineering
Fcty 3/ 4 Len Thomas Pl
Narre Warren
3805 (03) 8790 3262
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Truckster,
You'll find the duramax won't fit into the GU without and absolute bleep e load of problems if at all, already been through that excersize with a near new one sitting on a shelf and us with a tape measure.
6.5 rear mount turbo sitting beside it was enough trouble with the turbo not clearing the firewall, the 6.6ltr max with all the extra crap hanging of it had no chance.

Avagoodn
Pezza

Apparently you CAN fit the rear moutn turbo model in the Patrol... but it causes temp issues... :(

the duramax, shows what can be done with a diesel - COME ON NISSAN! 5ltr V8 with 200kw, and 800Nm...
then in 10 yrs time I could afford one :(

A while back the Brunswick boys were experimenting with some specific type of underbonnet supercharger as the turbo has historically had a few issues. I was led to believe these blower units had proven themselves in marine applications and showed some promise. Haven't heard anything since, so maybe that idea got canned. A supercharger would seem to be a natural choice for 4x4 applications, as they produce torque at idle and the V configuration of the Chev bent 8 would contribute to a compact, neat and mechanically simple powerplant.

The top line rebuilt N/A 6.5 V8 motor you get from Brunswick these days is built to 'turbo spec' with the big valves and all, so you can go the N/A for starters and then upgrade later.

I'd be tempted to go stock standard N/A 6.5, then when the bank balance recovers consider adding LPG. Sounds like a win / win scenario. I'd end up with the 4x4 that someone should have built then.

Its an expensive trip overall and looking specifically at the diesel gas my 3.1T Isuzu would cost $4800 to install it and then buy gas at around 60c/L without taxes for now is good but when they tax it the benefit will substantially reduce.

I opted for a Boost Cooler which I fitted and dyno tested for under $1000 and lifted the HP from 74.3 to 95.1 at the back wheels with a manifold temp drop of 40oC.

Economy is out to 12Km per Litre running the towing power jet at 90PSI and Im yet to use the Small economy jet and 50PSI to test if better.

It runs water/methanol mix and the increase in economy costs $4 for methanol and the same extra Kls in gas would be about $8 with diesel about $18.

It will work out around 5L of methanol per 1000Kms and the only problem I see is the availability of methanol whereas gas is widespread.

With the advent of the Smart Fuel Cell which runs on methanol and produces 100A of 12V in 24 hours it just may mean a combination of Boost Cooler and Fuel cell will mean a fuel tank on board and assist economy and camping power in one go.
Might as well blow the budget completely and throw $5500 at the fuel cell.

Wheeley

I said only the duramax won't fit without a lot of problems, yes the rear mount turbo will fit with
A: a 1" body lift, hard to do legally with airbags in some states, esp. QLD
B: different eng mounts to the n/a that move the motor forward a little. Marks were working on these 12 months ago, not sure if demand was good enough to make them viable.
I agree with you Truckster that the max is an example of what can be done, the japs should be able to give us a 300hp 5 ltr V8 diesel without any trouble, Unfortunately I won't hold my breath waiting.
As for the blower, the same guy that had the two abovementioned engines on the shelf fitted one (not sure of size, somewhere round a 4:71 roots type ) to a 6.5 that he put into a chev 2500 pickup. The thing went really well, pulled like a absolute train off idle and just kept pulling, far better than turbo version I drove in a suburban and made the n/a version he had in a GQ feel like a slug. Only problem he reckons is no-one makes a mounting manifold and other assosciated hardware,ie. pully's, air intakes etc. so he had to hand make one which was in his words " an absolute bloody nightmare, and I'll never do another one!"

Avagoodn
Pezza

Avagoodn
Pezza

When will the Japs build a V8 Diesel???????

Im under the impression that the 6.6 Duramax is built by Isuzu to replace the ageing Chev diesels.
Wheeley

Pezza, sit urprises me that it would be such a big task. Building it all by hand would be nightmare alright, but a bit of time doing the rounds of the performance car folks would surely reap rewards.

The Detroit GM blowers are standard fare on drag cars (4:71, 6:71) and there are countless manifolds available manuafctured by Edlebrock, Weiand, B&M etc to suit. If one is not a straight bolt up eg: 396, 427, 454 Chev BB, surely the V8 diesel's single plane intake manifold would be a good candidate for a visit to the milling machine. Do the same to the blower one and hit the Tig bench.

There are also a vast variety of belt options too. An extended snout with a direct to crank mounted Gilmer belt to drive the supercharger, then a serpentine belt for the rest. As for intake, a big mumma Donaldson would be the go or something from a comparable displacement truck.I would have thought head gaskets would have been more of the problem.

As for the Japs, Australians for some reason seems to accept the most anaemic and slovenly diesels in the world. They are slow, underpowered for the job and have poor fuel economy. Go for drive in a current US built V8 oiler. Be amazed. Fuel it up at the end of a day and be even more amazed (in a GOOD way!)

At least 2 that I know of that have blown had such a device....one was a d-tronic...the other a tunit.

Another theory bites the dust :-)

Thers's a 2002 3l gone on the Nissan Patrol forum site , had 98000 K's and fitted with a d-tronic.

Barb,

Maybe you could sell these good people the new 3L motor out of your vehicle and use the funds towards the 6.5 Chev donk????

Thanks Pud & Barb.
I did read somewhere about that contact name and number but could not locate it.
Will be letting the folks know.
From what he told me last night is that Nissan are in denial that there is a problem with these engines. It also has had all services carried out by the Nissan dealer they bought it from, where it has been for the last month since destructing.
What a joke.
cheers kesh

Hi Kesh,
Hubby is awake now and just read your thread, if your mate is interested he can buy ours for $6,000 This price includes from the radiator to the fly wheel. Has about 1,000km's on it since rebuild. He'd have plenty of spare parts to make money on.Radiator$$$$$$$, injector pump$$$$$, intercooler$$$$$$, head$$$$$$$$ and for your block it's just a throw away.
Pud and Barb.
PS Test drive today
Pud

Thanks for that Barb.
He is a shearer and at work today I will see him this evening and pass on your offer.
thanks kesh

Quote: From what he told me last night is that Nissan are in denial that there is a problem with these engines. It also has had all services carried out by the Nissan dealer they bought it from, where it has been for the last month since destructing.
What a joke.
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Thats complete and utter rubbish. Nissan knows ALL about the problems. As usual at first they deny , deny . . . standard practice.

Ring Head Office Directly (your friends I mean) . . . and dont take NO , for an answer.

Nissan are no longer replacing motors, but rebuilding them.

Thanks Barb. I passed the info along to my friend. First off he is going to ring Melb. on Tue. and see if that will move things along
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He mainly wants it going the cheapest way out then get rid of it. As it happens, he told me about another one in town which blew up last week
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These things arn't grenades Truckster, they are bl@@dy time bombs.

What I didnt know until I went around to see him is that he was to be part of a local fishing trip to the Gulf leaving next week. Exploding somewhere in that area would have been a nightmare and then some.
kesh

Sell it as a wreck if its an auto to me :D for my Chev V8 Project car.

Why anyone would bother going with another handgrenade is beyond me.

Leroy, at this stage no. Mal. was going to ring the Melb. head office no. yesterday, I wont be seeing him now till the weekend for an update. The vehicle has been at the dealership from where he bought for over a month now, with no result except for Nissan to claim it was out of warranty therefore he is up for whatever cost is involved.
The dealer seemed to think that Nissan may not be coming to the party, but who knows how hard they try in representing the vehicle owner?
I think the owner believes he wont get very far, will put some sort of rebuild in it and flog it best he can. Great ad. for Nissan, eh?
I suppose I made this posting to simply make people aware that its not just the early ones vulnerable, they all are. And my gut feeling is its not the engines fault but the electronics controlling it. No diesel made will survive a combination of over fuelling/over boost, its a proven recipe for destruction and all by the doings of some electronic chip.
kesh

Sorry this reply has been so long coming.
Spoke to Mal last night and Nissan are coming to the party after all. They will replace with a new engine and he pay the install cost. He has accepted this, feels that the representations by local dealer and his call to Melb. made a difference but its replacement wont be a Nissan. His previous one (also looked like new when traded) did 320000km. without drama and it was a Pajero. Expect that will be the replacement.
Still happy with my '76, s111 L/R, tdi Disco and 75series L/C !
kesh

I wanna slap u..