Ernest Giles - Vale of Tempe , Glen Edith

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Has anybody been to either of these famous ( for Giles fans ) camp sites ?

I have transposed their positions from Giles maps to a modern one , but these are approximate at best and I will probably drive around for days looking for them .

Has anybody been to either and if so , do you gave co-ordinates for them ?

Thanks ,

Willie .
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Reply By: equinox - Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 19:34

Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 19:34
Willie,

I think Glen Edith may be near Mt. Winter somewhere. Last year I drove towards Mt. Winter on tracks that were marked on the Auslig maps but had to stop as the dunes got too hard and I was on a strict time schedule so turned back. I wont say his name but the owner of the roadhouse 90 kms south of Alice has been there and knows were it is. The "Tarn of Auber" sounds inviting doesn't it.

I had a look for Vale of Tempe a couple of times but seemed to always get forced north west by a slight ridge. If I ever searched again I would approach from the south east.

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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 11:55

Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 11:55
Equinox ,
When I ran a search I saw your enquiry last year and my answer . It's good that you got out there and had a go anyway .
I leave in two days and I would really like to visit both places if possible .
Thanks ,
Willie
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 19:40

Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 19:40
Excuse me you two silly old buggers but is'nt this a repeat discussion

link text :)))))

Hope everything's OK with your recovery equinox.

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 20:19

Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 20:19
Grumps, trust you to remember! You must have been very interested. Personally I find snippets of Giles diary to be slightly "embellished." Not in an important way, but just bits. Perhaps its just the passage of time that makes it seem that way to me, perhaps its just that he waxed lyrical after being in the bush for so long or perhaps it's just my perspective.
In any case, a great explorer. In a way it's fitting that we have the Gibson Desert. I wonder what other names he had in mind for it ?
It's interesting that after 20 years I still refer to the Simpson as "my desert". I guess I researched it too much before I went :)))))
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 20:27

Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 20:27
Grumps? Grumps? Who me? Never :)))))

Sorry Footy, I just did a quick Google when Willie first posted this thread and stumbled across the incriminating evidence. I only wish my memory was that good LOLOL

I think they're both totally befuddled by my reply hahahahaha

I have'nt read any of Giles work but these two guys have peaked my interest somewhat. That might be a good thing. It might even keep me off this site for a while and let you good people carry on without my inane utterances LOL

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 20:43

Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 20:43
Gramps, did I say Grumps...oopsies , must have been a typo :))))))))
Giles did a few expeditions into the interior, all of which I find fascinating, especially if you ask stuff like why, who paid for it and how did things end up.
I was taught about Giles when I was a lad in primary school (one of my teachers was a young bloke that loved to travel around) and I've never forgotten the story of how the Gibson Desert got its name.
Do a Google and take a peek at some of Giles travels...interesting stuff.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 20:59

Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 20:59
Footy, yes I think I will be doing some reading over the next few weeks. Willie and Equinox may never talk to me again otherwise :)))))))

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 21:06

Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 21:06
Gramps, you'll enjoy it. One of the great things about being alive at this time is that you can almost follow in the footsteps of the explorers knowing that millions of people haven't been there before you. Now in Europe that's just not possible ......
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Follow Up By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 21:58

Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 21:58
I have to agree. Giles was one of the more flamboyant writers, but I am not sure he exagerated anymore than thse of us who have been in the deserts for long periods would wax about a mud filled water hole, or a camp where there were no flies :-)

I tend to think he was more in touch than the "dead heart" "Mt Hopeless" crew.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: equinox - Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 22:33

Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 22:33
I find it funny gramps that the same two people are involved.
I guess it shows that some topics never die. I'll always be interested - in that kind of thing in general - explorers and seeing what they saw.

And cheers, recovering ok, occasional niggle but thats life :)

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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 22:58

Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 22:58
Good to hear you're getting around OK again, Equinox.

Did'nt mean any offence, just thought it was funny and could'nt resist a stir :)))))

Skimmed a bit about Giles on the Net. Enough to wet my appetite for more reading.

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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 12:10

Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 12:10
Re ; Glen Edith .

If I put Giles's map next to a 1;250,000 , it does not make sense . I estimated Giles's scale and transposed this to the new map and put an X . But when I read that he had gone 50-60 miles roughly SE from Mt Udor , the X was way out of line .

I then found a site on a search of Google which placed it roughly where I thought it should be . The co-ordinates they gave are :
Latitude -23.8333333 / Longitude 131.4

This is in variance with what Greg says . I will try Greg's Geology map position first position first and then if not successful try the other one of his then my one off Google . The address for this site is :
Site Link

Thanks everybody for helping me here ,

Willie .
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 18:08

Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 18:08
Willie - maybe youre gone ...but the coords you give above are the same as the Geoscience Australia name search coords that I mentioned (but in decimal degree format), Also it plots within what appears to be relatively flat country with no outcropping rock. As stated the point on the geology map is ~8km west and within hilly county (The Glen Edith Hills actually)...so confident (as confident as you can be sitting in an office in SW WA) that I am on right track....if you get there you will know. Yes Giles' map (probably actually drawn by someone else from his descriptions/notes) appears to be a bit innaccurate and comparing it to current 250k maps creates more questions than answers.
Have fun
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 22:10

Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 22:10
Greg ,
I leave at 5.00 am on Thursday morning .
I was a bit confused about those coordinates . What is a decimal degree format , and why do they use that instead of the normal degrees etc ?
Great colour in your two landscape photos .
Thanks ,
Willie .
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 22:28

Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 22:28
Hello again - decimal degrees are just the degrees with minutes and seconds coverted to decimals eg 23° 49’ 50" is converted to decimal degrees by first dividing the seconds by 60 ie 50/60= 0.8333..then add minutes and divide by 60 ie 49.8333/60 = 0.83056, then add the degrees = 23.83056 (decimal degrees). It is used a lot in modern day computer mapping programs (eg ArcView) ...probably no advantage over other ways for everyday use ...plus it can cause confusion for people who have never seen it before.
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Reply By: Willem - Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 20:54

Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 20:54
Vale of Tempe lies northwest of Morris Pass on the Mereenie/Larapinta Drive Loop road aprox 24 degress 5 min South and 131degrees 22minutes East

Glen Edith I guess is somewhere in the vivinity of Mt Winter. I have an idea where it might be from looking at the map and Giles' diary
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 12:12

Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 12:12
Thanks Willem ,
See you soon ,
Willie .
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Reply By: The Explorer - Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 23:24

Monday, Apr 17, 2006 at 23:24
Hello Willie – my (brief) research has revealed the following
Vale of Tempe
Geoscience Australia Name Place Search gives this location
24° 06’ 49.9144” S
131° 23’ 09.1814” E

Giles camp was on Lauries Creek - so it must have been further North West than this. Other maps I have show the Vale of Tempe as an area (i.e. not a defined point) with Lauries Creek running through it - so as a starting point I would use ..say
24° 05’ 54.6720” S
131° 21’ 05.3760”E

Glen Edith
Geoscience Australia Name Place Search gives this location (and for “Tarn of Auber” – the water hole near the camp)
23° 49’ 49.6724” S
131° 23’ 9.1712” E

This also appears to be incorrect as the 250K Geology map (Mt Leibig) of the area actually shows a water hole called the “Tarn of Auber” about 8km west of the above mentioned coordinates – I am tempted to believe the geology map – So Giles Tarn of Auber/Glen Edith camp may be close to :

23° 50’ 25.9874” S
131° 18’ 43.1705” E

Not sure where William and Equinox obtained their info regarding Glen Edith being near Mt Winter – that is over 50km west of where it seems to be according to my research…Giles did get closer to Mount Winter during other periods of his expedition. The Westprint Map of this area also omits the Glen Edith section of his route (though they do state that only a selection of his travels are shown). So keep in mind the actual track shown on this map should only be used as a rough guide i.e. back it up with as much research as possible.

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Greg
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 12:21

Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 12:21
Great stuff Greg ,
I have printed this out and report back to you in July .
Thanks ,
Willie
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 09:00

Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 09:00
Got me interested now.
I read his diaries about 15 years ago.
Will have to pull out the books and do a reread and see if I can match it up to some maps for future travels.
Darn, and I don't have much spare time as it is! Always something to do.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 12:20

Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 12:20
Old Plodder ,

I read his diaries on the web and then went and bought the book so I could have the maps .

My dream is to spend a week in the Rawlinson Ranges and check out all his camps there .There are indigenous problems with getting in there now , but that might change in the future as I read one Tagalong fellow is getting in there for a one day tour . That would be inadequate , but it is a start .

Giles was a great man and it always seems such a shame that he died in obscurity in the WA goldfields working as a clerk .

I am leaving Sydney on Thursday and will not be back until the end of June . I will cross Giles's tracks again in the Gibson / Little Sandy Desert area desert towards the end of the trip .

Cheers ,

Willie .

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Reply By: The Explorer - Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 09:39

Tuesday, Apr 18, 2006 at 09:39
Here is a copy of Giles' "Australia Twice Traversed" in digital format (html or plain text) for those interested:

www.gutenberg.org/etext/4974

Cheers
Greg
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