Pertol Price Confusion

Submitted: Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 23:25
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In June 2004 we were in Broome, petrol price then was $1.20 per litre. I see today that price is $1.525- differance 32.5c in nearly two years.
In July 2005 we came to Brisbane petrol was 80c - 85c per litre. Today the price is $1.289 per litre - differance abt 45c in 10 months.
Do you agree people in the major cities of Australia are getting rorted.
Just curious....... can someone please explain.
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 23:54

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 23:54
So you don't think it has something to do with the price we have to pay for the raw product, transport and government taxes then? All those things have compounded on the raw product price to make the difference, though the Feds had dropped the ration of their tax on it. State Governments are really pulling in the GST.

Why would the people in the cities be rorted and the rest of Australia not be? Some informed people thought that the petrol companies had actually been losing money in the last month with the gap. Make a bit of a change I know.
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Follow Up By: Member - Coyote (SA) - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 11:08

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 11:08
John.. your reasoning explains the increase in costs overall, not the point that the original post is trying to make and that is that prices have gone up more in the city than that of the country..
My interpretation would be that the country folk will always pay a little more and the difference should go up promotionatly as a percentage of the overall cost...not the other way around..
It would seem that at first glance on the only two figures quoted in the original post that it is odd that prices in the city have gone up more than that of country and the only explanation may be profeteering, but this is only a very small example and in order to really be able to justifiably claim profeteering, then the cost of fuel needs to be compared over a much broader sample.. otherwiae I am sure I can find two servos anywhere in Australia and compare them to get exactly the opposite "proof"
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 11:22

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 11:22
G'day Coyote, thanks for your explaination. I think you mean proportionally more for country folk but I think there is a bit more to come for us folks, but there may be some freight differential subsidy showing here look at Site Link as that would possibly have some bearing on differentials of increase. It may be our taxes at work visibly ;-)
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Reply By: Member - Paul P (Bris) - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 23:56

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 23:56
Lets see know. The words are..........Market forces .........Free market. Its getting a bit like Bank Charges.....You and I of course will suffer for a while yet. The states, once again, are arguing with the Commonwealth over who's to blame......

In less than 7 days the price of diesel at my local servo has increased 7 cents a litre. Servos around it have increased even more.....

Yes definatley market forces.......BUT at my last 2 fills diesel was actually cheaper than ULP....not by much though. Today I note that its back to normal (the difference). :-(

Whilst I can understand a price increase the extreme variations lead to a synical view.

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Reply By: Member - Prickle (SA) - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 00:06

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 00:06
Over easter we travelled up to Renmark.

Filled the diesel before going for $1.41 in Adelaide, less the 4 cents voucher discount = $1.37.
At Renmark the bowser price was $1.36, if you had a local voucher from Foodland you got another 4c off.

Obviously we are being ripped off in the city.

Coles/woollies put the fuel up 4c just so you feel good getting the discount.

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Reply By: fisho64 - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 01:50

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 01:50
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In June 2004 we were in Broome, petrol price then was $1.20 per litre. I see today that price is $1.525- differance 32.5c in nearly two years.
In July 2005 we came to Brisbane petrol was 80c - 85c per litre. Today the price is $1.289 per litre - differance abt 45c in 10 months.
Do you agree people in the major cities of Australia are getting rorted.
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Lets just say I am a bit confused,
you are saying that you live in a capital city with abundant subsidised public transport and that you pay $1.289 a litre.
In Broome (or any other smallish country town) with virtually no public transport and hence requiring a car to get around they (or we) must pay $1.52 a litre.
And you are saying you are being RORTED?

I am still trying to grasp the logic?
Perhaps there is a typo in your figures that only makes it APPEAR that everyone else but the cities is getting SHAFTED??!!
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Follow Up By: 944runner - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 08:56

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 08:56
he is talking about the price rise not the actual sale price. In Broome the price rise has been 32.5c in 2 years, where as in the city it has been 45c in only 10 months. E.g the price has risen a lot more in a lot less time in a major city than out of the major city.
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Follow Up By: Barnesy - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 14:10

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 14:10
There are many forces influencing price rises. china, india, iraq. people in the city have it better regarding fuel prices. it is possible to catch public transport, and 30c a litre less. we live in the country and my other half travels 150km return to work everyday, no other options but to drive. would be a lot cheaper if she could catch a train.

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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 14:18

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 14:18
Actually I had trouble trying to understand what he was saying 4runner. I am with fisho. Even with your explaination I can't connect, even though he below says you have it. heheheh.

The time spans he is acttually talking about have price drops in them as much as price spikes, so unless he has comparative times and places he has flakey statistics. That is all he has got where you apparently make sense.

I think the price rises have a bit of time to run yet unfortunately.

Country people always thought you city guys got it too easy on pricing though, so perhaps they are playing catch up.
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 08:13

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 08:13
Just paid $1.85 per litre at Mt Augustus. Burringurrah Aboriginal Community was a bit better, but not much.

Ouchhh!
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Reply By: Leroy - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 11:58

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 11:58
Usually Melb is 10c cheaper than where I am. Oddly the petrol price is at 138.9c and been that since Easter!

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Reply By: Greiglin - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 12:12

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 12:12
The only one to get my point was 944runner.I'm not on about the actual price of petrol as per geography just wanting to give the scale of increase in a time frame.
Thanks 944runner for reading what I was trying to say. It was just an example that the general consumer keeps on paying without questioning the how, why, where and when of most things. It's not big cities v regional or outback, not ULP v diesel, not Easter v Mon-Fri,it's just that we never question these things enough.
ps: rather be in the Kimberley than the city any day.
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Follow Up By: 944runner - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 14:35

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 14:35
hey no worries, I didn't think it was that hard to understand :-)
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Reply By: Spango - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 12:40

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 12:40
When I first moved to Exmouth WA in Nov 2001 price for ULP was 1.03 P/L it is now 1.57 P/L, Dieso now 1.63 P/L, high fuel prices are a fact of life in the bush, I am passed worrying about fuel prices. One thing I dont understand though is it does not seem to stop the tourists from visiting.

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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 20:24

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 20:24
Spango,

I don't know if this goes for all grey nomads, but one I was talking to said they have a yearly budget for their northern trips out of Adelaide winters. If the fuel price was higher they just didn't go as far north as years previous.
Didn't stop them from going somewhere though.

Trevor.
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Reply By: Barnesy - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 14:21

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 14:21
if fuel prices in the bush raised too much it would begin being unprofitable for businesses to operate there. there was still a lot of room for city prices to increase. the government would also receive more money from taxes due to larger volume of fuel sold in cities rather than bush.
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Reply By: robak (QLD) - Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 12:50

Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 12:50
There's absolutely no way that the average price of petrol in brisbane 10 months ago was 80c -85c per litre. 100c - 110c per litre is more likely. Which gives a rise of about 10c or 9%.

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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 13:53

Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 13:53
Just checked from a file I have, I bought fuel on 26/6/05 for a cost of $0-92. Probably at the lower end of prices and using a docket for my 4c off.

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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 16:16

Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 16:16
Hmmm 28/6/05 I got it for $0.939 in Sydney. It's now at $1.269 at the same servo.

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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 16:23

Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 16:23
G'day Al,

I must have got mine in the low cycle for the week (watch this like a hawk), Tuesday it is up here. Its got me beat as it is about $1.269 when I looked this morning. Hoping it has dropped 4-5 cents today otherwise not fair - where's our subsidy gone?

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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 16:42

Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 16:42
G'day Theo,

Mine was probably the same with the 4c discount as well. The Shell and United on the main road here are having a real dingdong battle with ULP at 126.9. Both have healthy queues with the Shell just shading it because of the discount.

In regards to your subsidy, did'nt you hear, we've sealed off the NSW/Qld border and we're not letting any of our GST through to Beatup's coffers LOLOLOL

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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Wednesday, May 03, 2006 at 07:40

Wednesday, May 03, 2006 at 07:40
G'day Al,

Bought fuel last night @ $1.259 less 4c so $1.219. Mate you got it all wrong about the GST- didn't you know that it is the resource sector generating the bulk of the national revenue and that's why QLD and WA are just getting their fair share :-)

Now before you get all upset, I know GST is a tax on the last point of consumption and theoretically that is/means consumers but I'm coveniently cutting to the chase to where it all starts.

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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Wednesday, May 03, 2006 at 15:53

Wednesday, May 03, 2006 at 15:53
hahahaha Theo, since you guys are 'allegedly' producing all the revenue, it's about time you started subsidising we poor souls in the 'basket case' states - NSW/Vic LOLOL

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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Thursday, May 04, 2006 at 14:57

Thursday, May 04, 2006 at 14:57
Common Al what's this "allegedly" bit we all know it to be true just ask anyone in QLD and don't bother with those NSW people they are one eyed. I think it works something like this - we give heaps to the feds and get some back, not as much as we are entitled too though and so we sibsidise the southern states. Makes sense to me :-)

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Theo
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, May 04, 2006 at 16:39

Thursday, May 04, 2006 at 16:39
LOL Theo, It must be the heat up there in Brissie. Either that or Beatup is sure pushing some powerful manure out through his ..... PR machine hahahahaha

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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Friday, May 05, 2006 at 08:44

Friday, May 05, 2006 at 08:44
Hi Al, no bicarmel government and no effective opposition means that chairman pete can say and do what he likes unfortunately. The press is the only effective opposition in QLD and he has reversed 1 or 2 decisions based on bad press. I suppose it is more or less the same for other states - no effective opposition that is! This morning we hear that Kennet is contemplating a return in Vic and that the Libs hold just 16 seats in an 88 seat parliament.

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Theo
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