35k for a 4x4

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OK guys! What should I get with a budget of 35,000? I have my eyes on a 1999, 2000 T/D Jackaroo. Anything else that I should consider with that sort of money. I'd prefer one with diesel engine with turbo if possible.
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Reply By: Rusty - Wednesday, Feb 12, 2003 at 22:43

Wednesday, Feb 12, 2003 at 22:43
Wonder what sort of response I'll get to this....

So your not serious then about 4Wdriving. Cause if you were there are only 2 types to consider. Landcruiser or Patrol. The rest are just toys. Are you considering buying a Jackaroo because of the age and price? Then maybe you should consider something abit older and proven. It may even come with some accessories and extras so you will save money on buying them as well.

You really have to consider what you want the thing for. If it is only limited off road, bit of dirt and mainly the black stuff then it probably doesn't really matter.

Regards
Russell
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Follow Up By: Member - Nobby - Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 09:27

Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 09:27
I would back my "Toy" to go in 99% of places that the other big two go at half the fuel expense and at the same level of comfort. When are the Toyota/ Nissan crew going to wake up and realise that there are more than two brands of 4wd on the market. I traded me Toyota in on a Jack. and could not be happier.
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Follow Up By: 4x4virgin - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 00:20

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 00:20
Jackaroo is appealing to me as it has been review as a compotent 4x4 and "under-rated" in a couple of web sites and mags . The engine is also the right size for me as well (I'm worried about having a thirsty beast). And if I buy a used Jack from a Holden dealer I would get 1 yr or up to 3 yrs warranty on the vehicle. I don't think Nissan or Toyota would offer something similar on their 5 -6 year old car.
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Follow Up By: Old Soldier - Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:20

Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:20
G'day Rusty,

"The rest are just toys"

I'm just wondering what factual information this enlightening comment is based on.

Please share with us your obvious boundless experience in the 4WD world. :) :)

DennisN
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Follow Up By: Member - Bob - Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 10:20

Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 10:20
Change hands Rusty
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Reply By: Kev. - Wednesday, Feb 12, 2003 at 22:53

Wednesday, Feb 12, 2003 at 22:53
Opening a can of worms here !

"Jack's are toy's" well im not going to comment on that one but i agree it's hard to pass the Toyota / Nissan's for a good solid truck.

Personaly im partial towards the Toyota Hilux / landcruiser's.

Kev.
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Reply By: Coops - Wednesday, Feb 12, 2003 at 23:56

Wednesday, Feb 12, 2003 at 23:56
should be able to find a late model 80 series with all the fruit for that money. A late model Patrol too for that matter and you wont be able to beat either of those two.
It's an age old debate and you will have opened a can of worms but they would be my two top choices.
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Reply By: Bernie - Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 00:10

Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 00:10
If your choice is in the medium range have a look at the Prado
a bit smaller than Patrol/Cruiser & cheaper on fuel
TD may be hard to get & dont know about cost
I've got 1 so I'm biased but very nice & capable

Good Shopping Bernie
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Reply By: Cairns Offroad Training & Tours - Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 00:15

Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 00:15
Check out the gov auctions I have seen RV diesel 100 Series go for less than that up here with bars and winch. Patrols cheaper still.
Cheers Rob
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4wdtraining@cairns.net.au
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Reply By: Truckster - Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 07:56

Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 07:56
How about a bit more info on what you intend to do?

Tow trailers?
serious 4wding?
never in the dirt, just want the image?
2 weekends a year?
1,2,3,4 or 5 people?
large dog?

etc...

Then people can give you a better answer.

You could go a 40 series, fully restored and have a 6.5 TD V8 Chev put in for that money and pay off some of the mortgage....
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Follow Up By: 4x4virgin - Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 23:29

Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 23:29
OK. I live in Melbourne and would love to take my family up to Cairnes at least once every 2 years, I probably will tow a boat up there as well when I can afford one. Also would like to travel to Darwin, Perth, Broome. I'd also like to do some serious fishing at hard to reach places. But the vehicle will be mostly used on day to day bases as well as a work car to carry tools and materials (my original plan was to get a stationwagon maybe a late model falcon). I love to drive long distance but not neccessary want to be a "pioneer" or will I try to discover that "special hidden places" that "no-one has been before". I'm not a big risk taker so if the track is to rough I probably won't take my chances (not in the 1st year anyway;-). The catch is that my bother-in-law has just bought a brand new 4.2L GXL TD ($70k + ) two weeks ago. I would have get something decent enough to keep up with him when we are out and about in the bush.
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Follow Up By: Coops - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 17:36

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 17:36
He'll be too frightened to scratch it so you'll go anywhere he will - no worries about that !
A well equipped 80 series is better than any 100 by a long shot and heaps cheaper(another can of worms perhaps)
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:04

Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:04
I agree with Coops there...

Even standard an 80 would be better than a 100(dont they look like bread boxes!)...
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Reply By: Smithy - Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 08:26

Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 08:26
Stick with a Crusier or Patrol. These would have to be the toughest vechilces I've seen ( they're in all the 4X4 mags for a reason ), they're easy to get a hold of parts, although not cheap but don't break as often, easy to modify, which like just about everyone else, once you've got the bug you will want to do, and cheaper to modify. I'd stay with coil spring suspension, only because I've got an IFS Hilux, don't get me wrong its tackled everything I've thrown at it, and its still stock, but now I'm looking at modifying it $$$$$$$$$$$$$ because of the IFS and I'm starting to think I may have bought the wrong truck.
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Reply By: bruce.h - Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 11:59

Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 11:59
Gday 4x4 virgin
mate if this is your first 4by what ever you choose will serve you well it will alow you to learn just what you are going to use it for, gain experance & find out just what you need in a vehicle each car has its good & bad points so my advise is make a list of what you need or think you need at this stage & compare it against the vehicle to give you an idea of its suitabilty
Regards bruce
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Reply By: Voxson - Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 13:57

Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 13:57
Just remember Mr Virgin.
If you get the best car for ALL of your money you may find you will wanna fill it with it accessories.
And it seems like each decent acc or modification is $1000 a throw.
I bought my 4x4 then easily spent $10,000 since..
Elec winch, hand winch, roof rack, cargo barrier, spotlights, communication gear, extra spares, bigger wheels and tyres, lift kit, compressor, fridge, duel battery, diff locks.................
So become a professional with LOTSSSSSSSS of money.........
I own a 96 Patrol but have been in heaps of other 4x4's on tracks and trips and they all do well.........
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Reply By: diamond - Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 19:21

Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 19:21
hmmm 35 grand .patrol i guess cant beet them and good cheap ones going around. today i did a roadworty check on a 97 4.2 diesel gq auto 97000 ks full service history full electrics faultless white paint bull and tow bar no off road work old guy selling due to eyes not working he wants $20000 wish i had the money and that would leave you $15000 for all the best extra bits. ps there was a thread the other week about t/d jackaroos cracking around the head and some unbelievable price for injectors i think it was so be carefull.as said above you have opened a can of worms lol love that saying but i would rather have a fourby that could definetley get me out of trouble rather than one that just might get me out of trouble
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Follow Up By: Member - Steven - Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 21:43

Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 21:43
diamond where is this gq for sale sounds like what i am after steve
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Follow Up By: Diamond - Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 21:46

Thursday, Feb 13, 2003 at 21:46
bendigo
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Reply By: Rusty - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 08:18

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 08:18
Well I guess you have answered your own question to a certain extent. Like I said it all depends on what you want to use it for. Just remember also that you don't get nothing for nothing. If the holden dealer is giving you that kind of warranty the cost is built into the price you pay. So you could probably get just as good a vehicle cheaper elsewhere. Because they did. So make sure you shop around you might be surprised at the little extras you can pick up

Happy Travelling
Russell
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Reply By: Member - NOBBY - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 10:19

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 10:19
4X4 Virgin.. Good to see you have taken the Blinkers off and are looking around for something other than the "only two worth getting". You will find the Jack. is thirsty ( but they all are ) around town (15-16 l/100k), and highway about 11-12l/100k. depends how you drive them of course, that is petrol figures though. Most of the mid range 4by's are all good. Have a good look around and enjoy your choice.
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Reply By: Truckster - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 12:50

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 12:50
4x4virgin posted this followup
The catch is that my bother-in-law has just bought a brand new 4.2L GXL TD ($70k + ) two weeks ago. I would have get something decent enough to keep up with him when we are out and about in the bush.

I think you have pointed out the fact that he has a very capable 4b, (although I would stick a knife in my eye if I scratched the snot out of a $70k 4wd) and if you have somethin less capable then you are going to be lacking.. He will say its easy, and you will go for it, and spend your time being recovered.

Go drive the Jackaroo, see what you think.. easiest way to go about it.




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Reply By: Savvas - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 13:25

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 13:25
4x4virgin...

At the end of the day, unless you are going through some extreme 4wd'ing, the Jack will go through 99% of what your brother-in-laws GXL will, at half the cost. It will generally keep up with the cruiser on the road and go through less fuel.

bruce.h's advice is good. work out what characteristic's you are after and see what fits for your budget.

As for the cost of injectors on the Jackaroo. A thread started by "V8 Diesel" on the 9th of Feb stated that injectors are $2000 ea. I got a quote today for $545 each from Suttons Holden Arncliffe, including GST. So don't take everything you see here as gospel.
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 13:27

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 13:27
PS...I have a petrol 2000 Jackaroo Monterey. They are very capable vehicles and have been known to shut up the owners of the two "big" 4wd's quite often.
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:15

Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:15
I got quoted $650 fitted for ALL injectors.... on the GQ.

Gee Im glad I dont have a modern truck!

TD5 Landrover one guy says $1900EACH! But I couldnt see that. Nobody would pay it, there would be burnt out LR's everywhere!
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 18:29

Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 18:29
Truckster ... That's why I rang up to find out for myself. I couldn't imagine $2k each. $2k for the 4 maybe. I found it strange that the injectors would cost maybe just as much or more than a short motor.
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Reply By: damien - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 14:49

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 14:49
4x4Virgin, once again the big-headed bafoons who own the "big 2" are at it again.

From what you have described, there is absolutely no reason for you not to purchase one of the medium-large 4wd's. Jackaroo, Prado, Pajero etc - they will all do what you require, with a minimum of fuss & at a lot lower cost.

The Jackaroo will keep up with most vehicles off-road, in all but the most extreme situations & then it's more driver experience than vehicle ability that lets you down.

The T/D in the Jack is exceptional - very powerful, very economical & excellent off road. I quite often tow a 21ft caravan, weighing 2 tonne & the Jack does it effortlessly, sitting comfortably on 100 - 110 on the freeway & pulling strongly through the hills.

The Pajero is also a competent vehicle, but for that money you won't get into one of the new 3.2L T/D's. The old 2.8L doesn't provide great performance.

The Prado is also a very good vehicle, although a little overpriced IMO.

Another possibility for you to consider is the T/D Disco, although beware of reliability concerns.

There are many options for you to choose & as has been said, the best way is to go out & test drive all the vehicles on your short list.

You will soon discover that the 4wd world does not revolve around Landcruiser & Patrol - despite what some might have you believe!

Good luck with your choice.
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Reply By: sean - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 20:39

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 20:39
I have a Nissan and the old man has a Jackaroo.

Both very good vehicles.

Horses for courses.

Just my opinion fellas.

Sean

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Reply By: 4x4Virgin - Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 23:38

Friday, Feb 14, 2003 at 23:38
One thing about the Jack. My wife just hates the Jack's centre consol (around the gear shift stick) especially in the automatic model. She said it looks like it came from a Mitsubishi Sigma. I started to agree with her that it looks almost 20 yrs behind other cars. It's that ugly! Does anybody know who can provide an after market centre consol or a custom made?
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 07:47

Saturday, Feb 15, 2003 at 07:47
I agree that it's dated. In sydney, try Department of the Interior at Carlton.

You can also get an aftermarket woodgrain kit to spruce up the standard one. Just do a search on the net. There's 2 or 3 places that sell them.
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Reply By: sean - Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 09:41

Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 09:41
Diesels may be better on economy but petrols DONT have the high cost parts.

A friend of mine has an 80 series and his fuel pump had to be replaced at $7,000.00




Sean

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Follow Up By: Truckster - Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 12:46

Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 12:46
They saw your mate coming......
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Reply By: Member - Bob - Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 10:34

Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 10:34
If you are looking for a T/D for 35k then you will get a very old ('94) 80 series, a not so old Nissan, or a 2 to 3 year old NM Pajero 2.8, Prado, Series 2 Disco, or a Jack. The Jack probably has the best grunt for your buck, the Nissan the most metal for your buck, the Paj and Disco have the best handling, and the Toyotas if being 'Mr Average' is important to you. All of the above vehicles will capably fulfill your requirements. So look at the space you need, the fuel economy you can live with every day, and the image you want.
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Reply By: 4x4Virgin - Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 20:12

Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 20:12
What are the differences b/w Jack Monterey and an Equipe? How does a brand new Turbo Diesel Equipe for $46,000 drive away sound?
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Reply By: 4x4Virgin - Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 20:44

Sunday, Feb 16, 2003 at 20:44
Also, there is a private sale, '98 Jack T/D for $23,000. Is it worth taking the risk? If the car is a lemon, will $12,000 be enough to fix all the problems that it might have? The car comes with RWC and doesn't seem to have any problems at the time of the test drive. Are there any diffrences b/w a '97 Jack and a current model?
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Reply By: Suzuki Viagra - Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:18

Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:18
You $12000 buys a few other things than warranty - it buys better resale value for the 2003 model amongst others.

Speaking as a man who uses his 4wd very hard - I wouldn't spend big bucks on mine - buy 2 Sierra's instead! - hot one up - leave one stock and pocket the $20k......

Nahh - seriously a 5 year older car is gonna have much lower resale value. If you had to spend $12000 on fixing it you'd be ripped off to the tune of $7000 or so (a guess as to what the difference in resalve value will be in 2 years).

If it looks good though - it's up to you (and your mechanic) to make the bet on your $7000.

The Jackeroo will do everything you need it to do, but then so would a Prado, a Pajero, a Grand Vitara, or probably even a Santa-Fe 99% of the time.

You might find one of the others is more than sufficient for your needs - I think you'll find that the Jackeroo costs a lot more to run than any of those options - which you have said is important to you.

There's too much Macho BS about the big 2 - they're good, but they're not really that good. It's like listening to Collingwood Supporters isn't it.

Anyway what happened to Land Rover if we're talking serious off roaders???? Go the Defender!
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Follow Up By: Damien - Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 11:14

Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 11:14
Sizuki, on what basis do you say that the Jack will cost more to run than the other options - back up your statement there - i think you'll find you're wrong.
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Follow Up By: Suzuki Viagra - Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 12:13

Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 12:13
In petrol form the bigger heavier and more wind drag = more fuel. No question about it.

The Turbo diesel may match a Grand Vitara or Santa-Fe's fuel economy, but the maintenance costs of the diesel are far higher.

Servicing costs in metro areas are about 3 times the cost of petrol car servicing, and parts are more expensive for diesels. Look at replacement injector costs.

Even with the (normally) longer engine life before the huge rebuild cost of a diesel - check how long modern turbo diesel designs likeTd4 and Td5 engines are lasting before a rebuild! - the costs are ballpark.


A Prado or Pajero has very similar running costs to a Jackeroo.

I've got a friend with the Monterrey and he's always going on about how much it costs to run.
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Follow Up By: Damien - Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 20:36

Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 20:36
We're not talking about the petrol version here, so let's discount that.

I have had 3 services done on my T/D Jack so far - 20,30 & 40K.

Cost so far $200, $150 & $400 respectively - hardly budget breaking figures!

The Jack costs less to run & maintain than my '96 3.0L Magna!

I think servicing costs for the Prado would be much higher - only normal considering it's a toyota.
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Follow Up By: Suzuki Viagra - Friday, Feb 28, 2003 at 08:35

Friday, Feb 28, 2003 at 08:35
Better than the quotes for servicing my mate got on his new Diesel Hilux - by about 200%.


Toyota servicing and parts costs are obscene. Anyone considering buying a Tojo has to take this into account before they buy one.
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Reply By: Suzuki Viagra - Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:21

Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:21
See this thread - guy's traded in his 98 Jackeroo on a new Suzuki and more than happy.


http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/View.asp?ForumQID=3312&Page=%2FForum%2FDefault%2Easp%3FDisplaySet%3DActive%26PN%3D4
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Reply By: simon - Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 16:02

Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 16:02
i could not resist my 2 cent worth on this forum
Ok here goes i used to own a Jackeroo every time i went out with the big boys nissan & toys i would break something.
The most common thing i was breaking were front right cv joints while driving up hills and lifting wheels( which you will do due to limited wheel travel) when the wheel comes back to earth and gets trackion the cv chould not handle to torque going through it and would shear off where the spline goes into the hub.
After doing this 5 times i said stuff it and went out and got a nissan GQ.
No problems since
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Follow Up By: Damien - Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 11:16

Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 11:16
Geez, you had some bad luck there Simon - i know a lot of Jack owners & not once have i heard of that problem - sure you're not exagerating a bit?
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