Best tyres for gibber and off road travel?

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What tyres are proven in gibber and off road conditions? love me cooper ST's but no good on gibber. I feel i should go to split rims for serious outback and have had 12ply SP road grippers recommended! Comments please.
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Reply By: Laura B - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 21:05

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 21:05
whats Gibber Rd like and where on eath is it!!??

and 12 ply!!!wow!!!Thats keen....this Gibber Rd must be a doozy!!! We are going to be going the ST's and thought about these split rims but got told by the tyre dude not to use them...cannt emember why i switched off when he started the perv!!!

Laura B
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:29

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:29
Laura,
"Gibber" is the sharp rocky stuff you'll find on outback roads like Oodnadatta and Birdsville tracks, and a lot of the roads in western queensland. They can make tyres look like minced meat, especially when you travel too fast at high pressures. The sharp rocks can cut thru tyres and cause blowouts.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:41

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:41
"They can make tyres look like minced meat,"

They certainly cut my Cooper STs up really badly, used Firestone RMTs last year in similar conditions with no problems at all.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:49

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:49
He started the perv ....hahahahah...we need a pix so you can switch off !
Splitz will carry tubed tyres that are more suited to true off track conditions. However such tyres aren't usually very comfortable on the tar. And usually there's a lot of tar to get into the bush, so a compromise tyre is often used. And therein lies the rub. You can't get a tyre that does one well, they are compromises. Hence the "discussions" about which compromise is best.
If you're doing deserts, you need floatation and puncture resistance etc
Mud ? Grip and self cleaning etc .
Tar...not noisy and steer well etc etc
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Follow Up By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 23:54

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 23:54
Laura

Aren't you travelling on gibber on your big trip? If so, if you don't know what it is now, you soon will.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 23:57

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 23:57
& do yourself a favour, don't fit Cooper STs!
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Follow Up By: Laura B - Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 19:04

Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 19:04
i always thought that gibber was an actua road...hehehehehehe.....silly me....will soon find out...leaving in 12wks!!!!LOL thatnks for teacing me something new .....again....

Laura
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 20:24

Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 20:24
Laura,

I reckon you were thinking of Gibb River Rd in the Kimberley - maybe it should be renamed Gibber River Rd :-)))
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Follow Up By: Laura B - Monday, May 08, 2006 at 13:09

Monday, May 08, 2006 at 13:09
yeah!! see im not that stupid as people may think!!! LOL !!!

Thats prob what i was thinking....Prob where they got the name from?????

Laura
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 21:07

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 21:07
Everyone will have their favorites so I won't push any brand, I have used Mickey Thompsons twice and had a bad run with them, no punctures but the stoney tracks chip the treads and I did not get a good milage from them, Michelins were fantastic and best with 152000 and no troubles but cost to much for a second run, I am now using BF Goodridge All Terrain T/A made in USA for the 3rd time , [ get the hint] , the secret is look where ya going and try not to run over the larger ones, and adjust the pressures to suit size/weight/ I run about 32 on stones with a troopie , tares of at 3000kg fully fueled
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 21:20

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 21:20
yeah i agree about looking, but destroyed coopers last year in 7000km of rough, had done 30K prior and hardly worn.
i realy think the split rim is probably the best for rough, look at most station and mining vehicals.
if could drop cruiser at start of bush i would love to just run cross plys, tough as nails but dangerous on bitchumin.
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Reply By: Member - Stan (VIC) - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 21:38

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 21:38
Good Year MTR's - Made for rocks :)
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:29

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:29
how do you know?
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Follow Up By: GREENDOG - Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 00:53

Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 00:53
Going on your rig pic's, i'd say there made for swimin cheer's GREENDOG
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Follow Up By: Member - Stan (VIC) - Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 01:08

Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 01:08
I use them. They are used for rock crawling and a lot of military vechicles use
them, including those in Iraq. They got 3 ply side wall which is very tought.

www.4x4wire.com/reviews/gymtr99/
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Follow Up By: Member - Stan (VIC) - Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 01:12

Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 01:12
GREENDOG they are excellent all round tyre. A lot of people use them as an AT type of tyre.
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Follow Up By: GREENDOG - Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 01:16

Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 01:16
Yeah mate no worry's just having a dig mate i use 693's and they have been great up in the Gibber country cheer's GREENDOG
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 21:40

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 21:40
I really can't work out how some people destroy tyres with so little wear on them Especially Coopers , That bloke that runs around making maps swears by them , cough cough I chucked the old split rims away years ago , I run 8" Sunraysia wheels with 265/75 R16 for the last 5 years and I have been on the Gibb River Rd /Birdsville Tk /Great Central Hwy,SD, various mines present and past in my area , and extreme heat of North Oz and not yet had a blow-out , but then thats me, so why not you , your choice
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Follow Up By: Axle - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 21:54

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 21:54
Doug!
Its easy to work out, You travel at the right speed in the right place with the right tyre pressure.

Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:09

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:09
Damn it Axle I thought it was luck, lol but hell mate I can remember back in the 60s I could never get through the Flinders Ranges without doing a rear , I worked it out that at 50mph - 80k was the precise speed that when a stone was flicked by the front tyre it was still standing up when the drive tyre got it / long wheel base Landy and EK holden , yeh on the Holden I had the new tyre technology called Radial, Goodyear G800s and 1967 run them across the Nullabor to Perth/Darwin/Alice S/ Oodnadatta, Marree to Hawker and nearly home and felt that stone grab the left rear, 5 mins later it expired
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Follow Up By: Axle - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:49

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:49
Doug!

IT was meant to be a compliment, I should have emphasised YOU.

Axle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (QLD) - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:58

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:58
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:01

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:01
All else being equal, Goodyear MTRs, BFG Muddies, Bridgestone 694 (aussie made) and all Dunlops are good.

Worst I've seen are Cooper S/T, some BFG ATKO, Bridgestone 661.
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:35

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 22:35
ok thanks, based on what? type of travel?
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 23:04

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 23:04
Been travelling those roads for 30 years. I run several desert trips per year with up to 10 vehicles, and I'm pretty nosey :-))) You get to see how other tyres fare under the same conditions.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 23:18

Saturday, May 06, 2006 at 23:18
Just about split rims, your tyres can chew out whether on splits or not.

Splits are good and bad.
The bad part is that you can get flats from tube failures as well as punctures. Most tubes are not as good as they used to be. When you get a flat with a split, you have to change the tyre and you have to take it apart and repair it (takes 90minutes). If you get a flat with a tubeless tyre out bush, we just plug it on the vehicle (takes 10 minutes) and get it repaired properly when back in civilisation. Makes for a better holiday.
Good part with splits is that they are easy to reassemble and inflate.

So for serious outback, I go tubeless :-))
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Follow Up By: Ruth from Birdsville Caravan Park - Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 08:05

Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 08:05
Oh Phil, I've enjoyed the whole of this Post. Was too busy to get in yesterday - bit too tired and cranky after the day before, then I checked my emails first before coming in here this a.m. and am in a better frame of mind - guess when you deal with qustionable questions all day and then strike some 'odd' ones on my few minutes of peace on EO at the end of the day..........
Anyway, just had to weigh into the tyre debate this a.m.
We have a plastic Toyota 100s with split rims, skinny tyres (and never use SP Roadgrippers) - don't like using brand names but in 10 years have seen hundreds of them shredded. Don't have much fancy stuff at all and zip in and out of the Desert like it was the backyard (it is!!).
Good answers though on all - seems to me I'll just keep doing what I've been doing (I'm very mean when it comes to replacing tyres) and we just drive according to whichever conditions we are on. So simple as you know.
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 08:44

Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 08:44
Hi Ruth,

With a medium load (not expedition package), what tyre pressure do you run?
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 10:15

Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 10:15
Hi Ruth,
I'm glad you are in such a nice mood - that was the nicest way of saying "I disagree". Can't imagine you in a grumpy mood. I have to admit, I love to dive in on these aguments - it keeps the forum lively.

Cheers
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Reply By: nowimnumberone - Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 00:23

Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 00:23
a hwy pattern with the right pressures
hwy pattern have less gaps between the tread blocks therefore less roo-ted tyres
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Reply By: GREENDOG - Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 01:02

Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 01:02
Well my bridgestone's 693'S have done me well on the Gibber stone up through Birdsville,Betoota,Arrabury,Innamicka,and thats Gibber country for sure NO Flats,just keep your pressure low.cheer's GREENDOG
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Follow Up By: bombsquad - Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 23:12

Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 23:12
I've had a pretty good run out of the 693's myself - bout 40,000 k so far, mainly on the blacktop but quite a few k's on gibbers, and about 40% worn at a guess. What pressures do you run usually. When the going is a bit slow - about 60k or less, I will go to about 27, with a good ride and no aparent damage. I even did about 100k at 20 pound after a sand run - lazy but got away with it. I kept the speed down a bit but had no problems. The rig ('98GU Wagon) had the best ride for these conditions, and it looked after the gear in the car as well. It would be great to know the lowest pressures you can get away with at any given time, but go too low and I guess it will get a bit pricey and inconvenient.

I always think about what tyres next - but I think I will stik with the 693's, and possibly get some snow chains for when the blacksoil gets a bit thick.

Cheers Andrew
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 09:40

Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 09:40
I have yet to hear or see a tyre that will not get a puncture travelling the out back.

As with the posts that are here and in the archives they will all fail at some time.

The best advice I can give is

Don't go with less than 50% tread depth, the newer the tyres the better
Don't run with to high or too low tyre pressure 32- 36psi is about right
Don't speed. On the gibber roads in good conductions 80kph max
Don't hit the big rocks and slow down for the wash outs

Which ever type of rims that you are running there are good and bad points. If you are prepared and set up to run on either type of rim then there should not be any problem.

Good luck with the trip, expect to have a flat, but drive not to have one.

Wayne
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 11:16

Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 11:16
32 - 36 sounds way to high to me !!
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 12:26

Sunday, May 07, 2006 at 12:26
Kiwi Kia,

With a vehicle that weighs in at 3t., I don't think that there would be too many vehicles that would be doing a outback trip that would not hit that mark. Anything less than 32-36 would be far too low.

I can only go by the trips that i have done and the vehicles that travel with me.

On average I would have 8 vehicles with me on a trip, 4 trips a year on the outback roads. That is 32 different tyres and vehicles and they all run between that pressure range. Take that over a 10year period, 320 trips.

Now I am not saying we never had a flat but for the amount of trips and kilometres that we have travelled the amount of flats we have is very low.

Just going on experience

Wayne
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, May 08, 2006 at 16:00

Monday, May 08, 2006 at 16:00
Well I'm not going to give any advice as I will be on the Oodnadatta Track next week and don't want Murphy to know.

However, over the past couple of years, reading Posts on this forum, it would appear that ANYTHING except Cooper ST's are OK.

Oh, and 28 psi all round is comfortable on the Jack. Gee, I (only) run 36 psi as the highest pressure for the bitumen.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, May 08, 2006 at 19:35

Monday, May 08, 2006 at 19:35
Hi Sandman,
Have a good trip!
Adam Plate at Pink Roadhouse will still say 28 is too high - he reckons 24 is right for most vehicles in that area.

Cheers
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Reply By: blown4by - Monday, May 08, 2006 at 20:20

Monday, May 08, 2006 at 20:20
Goodyear 3T Custom Hi-Miler's 7.50 x 16. I know all the "experts" will howl me down but you'll get very few punctures and they don't "chip".
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