Soccer Violence, any wonder why?

I'm on Footy's side here.
I have never understood how you can be rewarded for miscueing a kick at goal like you do in AFL. OH WELL NICE TRY you missed BUT I'LL GIVE YOU A POINT FOR HAVING A GO.

Regards from a mad keen soccer fan.
Trevor.

My old man is on the Farina trip to the world cup... how jealous do you think I am?

I never understood scoccer when someone comes within 40 ft of you and almost touches you why you have to rithe around on the ground like you have trodden on a land mine until the ump blows his whistle, and you get kick...

What sort of bleep game is that?

It's a game of skill and brains. One where you're not paid squillions to inflict injuries on a sports field that you'd be in court for elsewhere. One where you dont "accidently" nearly kill someone and then go into an enquiry dressed in a suit saying gee I'm sorry, it was an accident smirk smirk.

I was raised on and played Rugby, drifted to play and experience the game of Soccer for a few years and the back to Rugby, watched a few games of league and discoverd that was a great spectator sport as well. Came to Oz and this new game to me VFL as it was called then took a bit to of getting used to but a great spectator sport it was. I enjoy them all I don't get why so many are so horribly polarized.

Bring on the Cricket.

>> One where you're not paid squillions to inflict injuries on a sports field that you'd be in court for elsewhere.
Not paid squillions? $4million a season? $20MILLION transfer fees, which is just about more than the whole AFL/NRL/ARU budgets combined... not squillions?

Then Judging by the poor souls rolling around on the ground when somene runs past them, i'd say soccer has the injuring people one down pat..

>> One where you dont "accidently" nearly kill someone and then go into an enquiry dressed in a suit saying gee I'm sorry, it was an accident smirk smirk.

Ahhhh a gentlemans game, like Renaldo in the world cup a few years back, when the bloke didnt do anytihng, but he grabbed his face hit the deck faster than a 2buck hooker, the bloke gets a red card, and renaldos punishment for causing this bloke to miss games due to being sent off for... for.. doing nothign at all??
Nothing. Smirk smirk.

yup, thats a sport.

With you Mad Dog. Played several of the 'football' codes as a young 'un and can watch and appreciate the skill and fitness required to play at the top level, even the Yankee version.

"even the yankee version......" hmmm, don't think I'd go that far.

Open your mind Steve. Once you get a basic understanding of the rules and tactics it can be quite entertaining even though very stop/start. To each their own I guess.

gridiron way too slow to be entertaining.. Look- americans like it, how good can it be?

I suppose you'll suddenly become a fan if Australia do well in Germany, like most glory hunters. The only reason it isn't popular here is because Australia aren't that good at it.

As an avid Formula 1 fan, I would like to agree, but too many F1 races have become, sorry but I have to say it, boring!
As far as V8 Supercars go, the drivers wouldn't last 5 minutes on the world stage.

Shaker,

"As far as V8 Supercars go, the drivers wouldn't last 5 minutes on the world stage"

C'mon mate, They ARE on the World Stage.
The V8 Supercar series is the type of event where the Formula 1 drivers and crew actually watch and enjoy it.

I like Formula 1 racing too and don't really compare it to v8 Supercars.

They are both different but highly successful Motor Sport events.

I just hope the V8 Supercar series is not "bastardised" like the CART racing Series has become in the US. I just don't bother watching CART anymore. It is padded out with every form of bullsh*t imaginable in an attempt to "capture" the viewing audience.

I thought the overseas events for the V8s had been unsuccessful, ie China.
As far as the F1 drivers watching them, we watch stock car racing, doesn't make those drivers world class either.
The F1 drivers are a class above the other codes, Indy car drivers have had mediocre success in F1, whereas Nigel Mansell went to Indy cars & guess what, easily won their championship in his 'rookie year', first time ver it had won by a 'rookie'.

Well let's just see what channel 7 do in the future to the fantastic coverage that channel 10 has always given us.

cheers

jackablue

I don’t like F1 that much, it isn’t that interesting

I Like V8’s
The Konica V8’s are probably more interesting as they aren’t afraid to do a bit of damage to each other
Top Fuel dragsters are good to watch to and the Odd burnout comp

By the looks of some soccer matchers it’s the only sport where the Spectators suffer more injures than the players.

A lot of Spot now Just chit’s me as all these committees chop and change the rules to try and make thing‘s more interesting or whatever they are trying to do and all they do is bleep game or race up.

"And the goal was not a fluke kick, it was a set piece play that worked out well."

ROFLMAO.

The Easter Bunny and Santa will be here too soon.

"In summary, AFL sucks, Football rules." Wake up, in this country AFL IS Football.

So much fun in so little time.

I'm wide awake, thanks. And I don't need your racist comments.

AFL is not football in this country.

Gerhardp1, following your post, I have read, & re-read Jimbo's comments & you must be very thin skinned, because I can see absolutely nothing racist in his comments at all, & if I were him, I would consider your remark offensive.
He only stated a fact, in Australia, or certainly in Victoria, AFL is football, soccer is, well, soccer!

>>> They promote violence constantly on the field
Who does? Soccer fans? NRL scrums? Union - not really, AFL, not at all.

Its been about 10 yrs since theres been any thing you would call a fight on field in AFL.. plenty of jumper pushes, but we did that in 2nd class in bleep ney...

In still lookiing for Jimbos racist comment, or is it a matter of when someone disagrees with you, run the old racist flag up the pole?

yeah what the hell are you on about with this racist crack. Certainly in Vic AFL is football.

he may not be able to read english to well..

He might have accidently mistook "easter bunny" for.

Sorry Gerhardp 1 but i dont see any racist remarks , perhaps you need to reread Jimbo's comment.....Cheers Dave

And BTW AFL RULES!!!!

hahahaha racist ???????? You've got to be kidding gerhardp1. Fancy pulling the racist card in a discussion about the merits or popularity of different football codes in this country LOLOLOLOL

Gramps.
He may have thought it was a YELLOW card.. F..k knows y

Truckie,

You could be right there. I've noticed that the one's that like to pull the reacist card at every opportunity are often in a world of their own. They need to accuse/blame someone else rather than take any responsibility themselves.

Truckster: that's the one thing that bugs me about the game these days. At one time, diving was limited to the Latin countries, then Germany and now every bugger's at it. Even our own Harry makes me cringe at times (and that's apart from the hairdo)

90 minutes of kicking a ball around for one goal????

Your expectation of sporting entertainment is somewhat easy to be satisfied.

Still, if you're happy Andrew, that is all that matters. Enjoy your "entertainment".

you missed my point Jimbo - not just me - millions round the world - let alone the 95,000 at the MCG tonight - never mind mate enjoy yourslef in the minoity!!! lol!

I don't think Australians coined the name 'soccer', if you type "soccer" in to Google the second listing is "Federation Internationale de Football Association (FIFA)", along with sites from countries all over the world.

Soccer is an abbreviation for Association Football. The Football
Association was formed in London in October 1863 when representatives
of eleven clubs and schools met in an attempt to standardise the rules
of the game. One of the rules prohibited the carrying of the ball, a
rule that would lead to the Rugby-oriented clubs leaving the
Association several months later. The name Association Football was
coined to distinguish it from Rugby.

By 1889, the abbreviation socca' was in use, and the spelling soccer
had made its appearance by 1895."

The defence rests!

I'm with Andrew.

And the "fluke" goal certainly was not a fluke. Only someone who doesn't play and can't control a round ball would estimate it a fluke. No offence intended Jimbo but this is seriously the case.

And yeah i could go on for pages but to say you need high scores for an exciting game is i think an opinion that is quite sad. Each to his own but the world's most popular game but a mile - note the World Cup attracts more television veiwers than the Olympic games, can speak for itself.

My team in Brisbane plays Korea tomorrow. We are West End Ham. Our local Rugby League ground has one month of games in June, and some games in September, and zero local players. Our tiny club that plays on the old second oval is bursting at the seams at 2 women's teams, 3 senior men's teams and 2 over 35's teams. We hope to bring in children's teams as soon as we can find the space.

No we don't get many spectators, that's because we get people playing it.

I'm with you porl
My son plays representative soccer and at training they train for exactly that shot with either foot as part of their training.
I thought it was a great goal. The goal against Argentina was a bit iffy though. But hey who cares doesnt say that on the scorecard. Just like the dropped catches in cricket when someone scores a ton.

Cheers
HowardT.

Easy to knock a game where the players use their feet and the spectators use their fists.

....and a score of nil all is considered a match.

The goals at least have a value - unlike these 243-185 scorelines, largely made up of near misses.

Notice the world isn't forming a queue to join in the wonderful world of AFL/VFL or whatever it's called these days.

look at the massive followign Soccer has in aussie...
Most there last night were 'bandwagoners'..

State soccer games get crowds of ~2000.. and most of them are only their to riot..
Put them figures against ANY AFL match.. You may be able to compare them to local VFL games to be close.

Soccer just doesnt cut it, unless your talking about taking dives, then it compares to other codes which are taking up acting lessons rapidly to keep up..
YMMV.

PS, yes played RL, Soccer, AFL, when a kid, and cricket for 20+yrs from u10's through to B grade.

agree mate. Most were bandwagon jumpers but there'll be a lot more of them soon. So we'd better get used to it if the qualifying hysteria is anything to go by, and the team do well in Germany. There's a whole world out there to play against - not just the parochial AFL and Rugby codes which, along with cricket, are more or less limited to Commonwealth ties.

I dont think there will be more, once they get fried in the first round and out of it, it will go back to normal, until the next big event, in what ever sport it is

or until the national side play any high profile match (which seems to be any match, competitive or not) Australia is unusual in that the domestic game is non-existant on an international scale in that they don't have an equiv of the Champions league etc hence the domestic game is low profile and poorly supported. In most other countries the fans back their local team first and foremost with internationals as a kind of bonus. Here it's the opposite. Bit of a catch 22 thing in that the game isn't well supported because there are few top quality players here and top quality players won't come/stay here because the crowds aren't there to support them (or the obscene money they get overseas. eg: EPL)

Geez guys it was always called "Footer" when I was in the UK in the 60's and before that.

haaaa, thought it was only moi that called it "footer". That must be it: child of the 60s in the UK.

That would be about rite soccer is the world game.

All the best
Eric

does anyody know what this bloke is talking about?

hahahahahaha that's what I was thinking. I only hope he knows LOL

Wait until the drugs wear off and ask him........................

I understand don't YOU

He is saying the one wears their colours on their sleeves now following this antachrostic dispertion on the validities or otherwise of the world game

Geoff,

antachrostic????

I've just searched a dictionary spanning some 1791 large pages.

Come clean, you made it up LOL.

Cheers,

Jim.

Hmmmm .... did you have a late night Bonz :))))))))))))))))))))

Did you mean "anachronistic dissertation" ??????

lol it looked like a couple of words, and no Al I meant dispersion as in spray.

well i can tell from your reply you have never played the game

NO, it is simply a game that any pussy can play regardless of country or race. If AFL was a world sport a lot of countries would not be competitive, because their sportsmen are; too small, too weak, or too scared.

"...4 years to get through to the 32 countries that came play in the final series...."

4 yrs to do 32 soccer matches, 6 months to do 26 in AFL and about the same in NRL.

It can take 5 days to get through on cricket match. It's rarely important to watch any of the first three....and like cricket there is nothing interesting about a draw after 80 mins of play, or 5 days of play.

Your point being???????

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The pent up frustration through nil all draws after 80 mins is the thing that causes the violence in the spectators. Any sport that actually has a result, makes the decision for the spectators about who is the better team. The psychology of a nil all draw (*or any draw) is the thing that leads the supporters to having to (defensively/offensively justify their support of a team (sometimes violently), as both teams are percieved as "losers", rather than "equal" or "winners". If you didn't clearly "win", you "lost".

A good illustration is the US with their gridiron, basketball, and baseball teams. Here is a culture in which vilence is an everyday occurrance, guns are rife, and gangs regularly set upon one another, yet when was the last time you heard of a major brawl spewing out onto the sports field, or occurring outside a stadium after a match? How often do their games result in a draw? A bit simplistic, but food for thought.....

>It can take 5 days to get through on cricket match. It's rarely important to watch any of the first three..

Someone who thinks like that may as well just read the result the next day in the paper. Good cricket can be produced at any stage of the match.

Sadly Ray, I agree with Gary on Cricket these days.. The distance between all teams is wider than linda lovelaces ankles.
Its dull as watching paint dry.. If all 15 world cricket teams were remotely close, then it would be awesome.

99.9% of games the result is known before the first ball is bowled. To me that is dull.. I like COMPETITION, Unknown result - and IMHO if its a great game like that, I dont care who wins.

>I dont care who wins

bleep I do, just gotta win, stuff being a loser, winners are grinners.

lol!!!!!!!!!

so you like the games where one team scores 800 runs, and the others are 9-34 ?

PS.. the Eagle has landed :D At last.

Now to swap bits off the GQ

by the way the only bad cricket match I've seen was the one with the underarm delivery :)

>so you like the games where one team scores 800 runs, and the others are 9-34

Yeah, must have been some great batting to watch and then they came out and smashed them with the bowling....sounds just like the ashes coming this summer :)

Even that match was a great match Ray

Two very big mates went to a soccer match in London about five years ago... unfortunately and unknowingly sat in an area where there were a lot of thugs around them.
They said after they got out, only just in one piece..."never again, those guys were there purely for the fights and were not remotely interested in the game being played out on the field."

Sad but true.

>> Unfortunately the finances behind the game seem to have almost destroyed it.

There was some dude from the UK soccer board over here the other day, and on MMM I think it was taking questions from callers...

Well I called up and asked them how on earth to they recoup money from player transfers of 20MILLION UKP PER player. T shirt sales must be something else..

Some teams must be worth more than small countries.

They dodged the question more than Sir Joh could ever have done.
But I'd still love to know how.

Violence off the pitch is not a major problem these days - and hasn't been since the 70s and 80s. As somebody said before, the main problem with Real Football nowadays is the money and greed in the game.

I find that a sad way to finish any game.

NRL now does that so theres no draw.. piss poor really

Hi Truckster,
I must be losing my memory, but for the life of me I cant remember the last time an NRL game finished with a penalty kick off, & there can still be draws in an NRL game, except finals & representative games.
For everyone else, why is everybody trying to dis-credit other codes of sport, the code you love is the code you watched as a kid with your old man, eating a pie & drinking a soft drink on the hill. Its the code you enrolled in as a kid, & got butterflys in your stomach when you used to run onto the field. Me ,for one, I,ll chear for just about any team that wears the green & gold. Even though I have never seen a full game of soccer either, I hope I'll be seeing a few over the next couple of months.
Come on Aussie, C'mon. Just my Two Cents Worth.
OM&M.

OM&M,

It seems to me like the rabid AFL and 'soccer' crowds are on an evangelical quest to impose their views on everyone else. Why? Either a game appeals to you or it does'nt. None are THE game for everyone. Glad I'm in Sydney where ALL codes get a fair coverage.

Na I was gettin at the No Draw thing with the "GOLDEN POINT".. What a wanky way to finish..

What is wrong with a draw? If 2 teams are that even at the end of time, why not have a draw..

You're right RC but soccer has been threatening to go places in this country since I was a boy. A damn lonnnngggggg time ago.

Can't see it in my lifetime unless they do something serious about the 'perceived', and I stress that word, ethnic leanings attributed to all of the teams in the major domestic competition and attract supporters away from the other football codes. I know they've changed the names of most of the clubs but it will take a while before people support local teams, like in AFL NRL ARU etc, rather than as per their heritage.

If the Socceroos do well in Germany and continue that on for a few years, then there'll be a huge surge in the game's popularity. We all like our sport but we love winners and successful teams :))))

Agree with you Gramps , I do think it's miles in front ( Junior wise ) than ever before . I still think it has a long way to go also