Advice on buying Landcruiser

Submitted: Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 08:36
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HI everyone

Hubby and I are looking at buying a 1998 GXL Landcruiser 4.5 petrol with 210,000km on the clock for $25K. We know the kms are excessive for a petrol motor. My question is, is it worth trying to knock the car yard down in price to say $22 and a half grand and doing an engine rebuild in the not too distant future, or should we look at paying $29K for the same kind of cruiser with only 100,000km on the clock? We are wanting to do a trip around Oz and would have preferred a turbo diesel but can't find one in our price range as we will still have to lift it and put bigger tyres on it (cost around $5K all up).

Anyone have any idea what it costs to rebuild a petrol cruiser motor (not doing it yourself)?

Thanks
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Reply By: Steve - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 08:42

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 08:42
Don't know. But depending how long you think you'll keep the car, it probably won't ever happen.

If you're in Sydney/N'cstle area I could put you onto a bloke where they recycle parts/engine replacements etc. But there are quite a few of these around.
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Reply By: Alan H (Narangba QLD) - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 09:55

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 09:55
I would have thought that a Landcruiser engine at 200K should have plenty of life left even for petrol unless it has been particularly abused.

An older diesel for the same money may be an alternative and would give superior range over a petrol which can help on long trips.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 10:42

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 10:42
With the drop in demand for big petrol 4wds, I'd offer him a lot less. It must be a buyers market out there with the high price of fuel, and a relatively high mileage vehicle you're looking at.

210,000km is no big deal for the 4.5 litre petrol motor provided its been serviced correctly. If it doesn't blow smoke, compression is Ok, and theres no sign of head gasket leak, then I'd expect you'll be Ok for a good few years yet. Also got to remember that theres a lot more parts on these vehicles that wear out and cost a lot to fix.

If you want an inspection, my preference is to get it done by a 4wd workshop.
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Reply By: crewser - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 10:44

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 10:44
Have a good look around and you will find a petrol gxl with less ks for the same price $25k seems a bit high for a 210,000k petrol crusier. petrol cruisers are hard to sell at the moment due to fuel prices.
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Reply By: Max - Sydney - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 11:13

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 11:13
Mate - have you had a look at the Redbook web site? It gives an idea to start looking at prices - " target="EOF" class="lbg">www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/? Suspect you should be able to negotiate well below $22k.

If there is any suggestion of engine damage at 210, walk away. Its a big well made and lazy motor, and if its damaged then the whole vehicle must have been abused.

Look for service history as a guide - it should have had the timing belt replaced twice by now for example. Check for CV joint noise, loose tailshaft sliding joints and suspension condition, all of which ought to be ok, but showing signs of use.

But - if you can find a diesel, you are better off. Its only $3.5 k to put on a reliable turbo IF you find you need it. I've had a 1997 GXL diesel from new, pull a caravan now (but have done the outback camping and camper trailer stunts), and am still looking for a reason to fit a turbo after 250,000 km. Its all in driving techniques, and on a trip around the block stunning acceleration and huge uphill pulling power don't feature strongly!

Have you looked for vehicles that have been around the block, and are already fitted out for the trip?

Good luck - Max
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 11:16

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 11:16
Dont know what state your in but 25k is about 6k to rich in Brisbane at the moment for a petrol with that sort of ks ,, also 5k for a road legal lift and larger tires ??? 2" to 4" lift $700 to $1000 ,,, tires $180 to $300 each.
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Follow Up By: Montemoo - Monday, May 29, 2006 at 08:47

Monday, May 29, 2006 at 08:47
Hubby got a price on a 4" lift kit of close to $2500 - apparently there is alot to replace!! He is looking at 35" Cooper STT tyres at $388 each and we have to change the rims etc on camptrailer as it has 35" tyres with only 5 stud holes and the GXL has 6 holes (or something like that....I'm just the missus, don't really understand all the jargon).
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Reply By: Rock Crawler - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 12:38

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 12:38
i work as a wholesaler in Melbourne and if asked to put a price on that car , it would be 16 k . The yard I would seel it to would try to get close to 20 k for it .

as far as 200 kms on the clock , isnt a issue
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Reply By: mcboom - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 13:54

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 13:54
I have the following for sale for your budget...already has 2in lift and turbo diesel.
Site Link
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 14:54

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 14:54
90 model sahara long long way from a 98 model anything.
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Follow Up By: mcboom - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 15:02

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 15:02
Similar klms to a 98.....
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 15:15

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 15:15
Only driven to the pony club 10ks each way on a Sunday towing a 4 horse float by a little old lady who never put the gear box into low range. LOL.
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Follow Up By: mcboom - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 16:22

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 16:22
bit hard to tow horse float with no towbar :o)
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 18:17

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 18:17
So from where did you import from , NZed perhaps ,no ?? pics show its not your standard 80 series 90model sahara sold thru Australian tojo dealerships , and oh by the way ,how long did it take to remove the towbar , 20odd minuets or so ??
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Follow Up By: mcboom - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 18:32

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 18:32
It never had a towbar and no mounting points / holes to mount one :o)
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 18:49

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 18:49
Then it would be the only 80 series landcruiser in Australia of its kind ,, All , each and every one has pre drilled mountings for a Hayman Reece style tow bar ,, perhaps your vehicle should be priced accordingly seeing it is unique ,,rolflmao.
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Follow Up By: mcboom - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 18:55

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 18:55
Price ammended accordingly :o)
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Reply By: Willem - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 16:18

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 16:18
Most petrol engines I have ruined have karked it at around 380,00km. So 210,000km is about mid life for the engine.

I would offer them $15 and work up to $20 if necessary.
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Reply By: Steve - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 16:52

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 16:52
I'd get a bank cheque made out for say, $18,000 or whatever you think is the lowest you can get away with - show it to him and tell him you want to do the biz today or there's another one up the road........he won't let you walk away with that in your hand.

(just don't lose the bugger - the cheque, that is)
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Reply By: Joe King - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 17:20

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 17:20
Mate of mine paid 23K for a 96 with 53k on the clock 2 years ago when fuel prices were still half decent...
this one sounds a bit expensive to me...
my 2 #
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Monday, May 29, 2006 at 07:42

Monday, May 29, 2006 at 07:42
Hi
There is a blue 40th annaversary 1997 petrol auto on ebay at the moment for 10,000 dollars....ABS etc
It looks nice too.
Unless you need to trade, i would suggest you look for something similar private.....they just cant be sold these days....noone wants to buy them.
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Montemoo - Monday, May 29, 2006 at 08:44

Monday, May 29, 2006 at 08:44
Thanks everyone for your advice. We have decided to wait for a newer model with less Ks on it for a similar price. Found a good one in Brisbane with lots of extras......now we just have to get there!!

Thanks again - glad we didn't give in to car yard pressure!!!
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Reply By: Steve - Monday, May 29, 2006 at 09:38

Monday, May 29, 2006 at 09:38
My 96 diesel unit is in the trading section with 230 kms...and in perfect nick..Just bought a Motorhome so wll negotiate with a serious buyer !! It has so many extras that I cant list them all !!
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Monday, May 29, 2006 at 17:47

Monday, May 29, 2006 at 17:47
The 4.5 is a super reliable motor and should have heaps of life left in it if it's been serviced properly.

I agree that $25K is too much. I bought a 98 GXL with 140 country bitumen km's on the clock in A1 nick, full Toyoyta service history etc for $24K about a year ago.

They are a great vehicle. Heaps of go, bucketloads of torque right from idle, excellent track record for reliability and a stronger gearbox than the NA diesel model. They drive very well too (having just driven 300km's to work this morning).
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Follow Up By: Montemoo - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 at 08:59

Tuesday, May 30, 2006 at 08:59
Yeah hubby would really prefer the 4.5 over the diesel as we have a diesel landcruiser trayback and had alot of trouble dragging the camptrailer over the Atherton Tablelands in FNQ last year. We really don't mind the extra fuel in the 4.5 - the one we have found now is a Dec 2001 model GXL with 110,000km and it has the chip thing that is supposed to make it more fuel efficient. Going to look at it on the weekend in Brissy.

cheers
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