Automatic or Manual
Submitted: Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 17:29
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Hank
Our family (wife & 4 kids) are planning a trip to central Australia in July this year. At this stage planning to visit Uluru, Kings Canyon,
West MacDonnell Ranges &
Oodnadatta Track etc. We have purchased a Jayco Outback Camper and will soon purchase a Nissan Patrol 3 litre turbo diesel. What is best for towing, off road driving etc - Automatic or Manual?
Reply By: Phil P - Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 19:48
Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 19:48
The die hard 4wd folks that I have asked this same question to generally prefer manual so they get a better "feel" driving, more control etc.
But when you are doing stop start (city driving) like most do for 70-80% of the time an auto is the way to go !
When it comes to selling the car in the future, I think you have a larger target market with an Auto.
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Follow Up By: Hank - Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 20:09
Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 20:09
Thanks for the quick response. I'll probably be driving around town 80% of the time so it sounds like an auto is the go.
Best wishes
Hank
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Reply By: Truckster - Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 19:54
Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 19:54
Can of worms.
Autos have better resale.
Autos are better in traffic
Autos are better towing
Autos are better up hills they do the work for you
Autos are better on the freeway set and forget!
Manuals are better on greasy downhills.
Autos are more expensive to buy!
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Follow Up By: Voxson - Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 22:12
Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 22:12
autos are great on steep uphill sand dunes also
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Follow Up By: Suzuki Viagra - Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 15:07
Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 15:07
Manuals are more fun
Manuals cost less to rebuild
Manuals don't need to be rebuilt every 200,000 k's
Auto's don't need replacement clutches
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 16:02
Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 16:02
autos need rebuilds every same as auto.... specially if you drive them for fun..
autos have less linkages
autos have no clutches
autos have no pressure plates
autos have no master cyl probs
autos have more + than - against manuals...
its what you prefer. Drive both is the simple answer......
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Follow Up By: Member - Rohan - Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 17:13
Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 17:13
Autos are better at everything except steep or difficult decents and minimising fuel usage, but most 4WD autos aren't any fun (no "sports" shifting). There's an old saying - you steer and auto and drive a manual. Horses for courses.
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Follow Up By: Member - Rohan - Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 17:13
Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 17:13
Autos are better at everything except steep or difficult decents and minimising fuel usage, but most 4WD autos aren't any fun (no "sports" shifting). There's an old saying - you steer an auto and drive a manual. Horses for courses.
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 21:33
Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 21:33
sports shifting? LMAO...
Anyway, look at 90% of
rock hoppers, and serious 4b's they arent Auto for no reason....
Whats fun about changin gear 401480923184098320498230948 times in 5klms as its muddy, up, down, off camber etc...?
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Reply By: Slunnie - Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 22:03
Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 22:03
Driving both an auto turbo diesel and a manual NA diesel 4WD, the only place I think the manual is better is when decending using engine brakes. Thats about it though, and the the auto climbs hills 100x better.
For towing there is no clutch burning at the lights on the top of the
hill, and it will give you better low speed control such as when reversing.
Slunnie
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Reply By: desert - Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 22:06
Wednesday, Feb 19, 2003 at 22:06
Hank, horses for course. City driving, towing, outback touring an auto is nice. Higher servicing costs, heavier tare weight and not too good in deep water. But, if facing a very steep, wet slippery down
hill decent of, say around 28 to 30 degrees, then you'll be wishing for a manual with deep reduction first and
rock crawler gears to slow your decent to hades and possible Jack Brabham exit speed at the bottom with the auto. When in serious terrain, safety is the big leveller and I'll go a manual any and every time.
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Reply By: jeremy - Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 10:24
Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 10:24
hey Hank,just
check that the AUTO Patrol has same towing capacity as the MANUAL Patrol because a mate of
mine told me the auto has less due the transmission.He was looking to buy one and said he saw it in the brochure stats!Haven`t checked it myself.Also another mate who has an auto bleep s himself on steep downhills(patrol) because the auto tends to run away with only brakes to slow down with,,where the manual crawls down better in low first.But thats up in the high country and for average touring just go for personal preferance....Jeremy.
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Reply By: BoneMan - Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:22
Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:22
I'm new and therefor ignorant - What is the big deal about down
hill, auto/manual, decents. If manuals use gears for down
hill, why can't or shouldn't you use your breaks with autos??
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Follow Up By: Colin - Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 12:20
Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 12:20
first rule for down
hill decent is dont use the brakes. If you lock up the wheels you loose allcontrol of steering and traction same as on the bithumen lock up the brakes no steering. Best vehicle for down
hill control are diesal with manual gear box. Col
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 16:04
Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 16:04
Autos have no engine braking.. as someone said at the bottom of the
hill you will be doing mach 1245.....
You can drive along in an Auto take the foot off the gas and nothing happens. Manuals, it slows down HEAPS...
Rockhopper gears work wonders, but $1200 + fitting.. :(
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 16:05
Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 16:05
and theres no such thing as a dumb question.. the only dumb question is one not asked..
WHERES THAT EDIT FUNCTION!!!
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Reply By: Member - Mal - Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 12:32
Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 12:32
Boneman,
You're not ignorant, because you bothered to ask the quesion. The difference is that using the engine compression as a brake,
the breaking force is transferred to all wheels fairly evenly. Using the brakes gives a less even didtribution of breaking power and you tend to get single wheels locking up and thus loosing traction. Dynamic friction is greater than static friction which is the reason for ABS.
Mal T.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mal - Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 12:34
Thursday, Feb 20, 2003 at 12:34
that should be "distribution" Oops!
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Reply By: David - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 17:04
Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 17:04
Well, no matter what anybody says....
when your battery OR starter motor OR solenoid plays up, it doesn't matter if you have a steep, straight, bitumen downhill- You will NOT be able to start an auto. Give me a manual anyday.
Plus- a good mate has done nearly 600,000 km on his Turbo GQ 4.2 Diesel and has not put a spanner to the gearbox apart from oil changes. Try that with an automatic.
BTW he has also done nearly bugger all to the donk too! (injectors plus an injector pump overhaul due low-sulphur diesel ie:new seals is all)
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