Collapsable Brazier Design
Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 at 10:06
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Noel W (Qld)
Hi All
There is mention of a collapsable brazier in another thread and wondering if anyone has a couple of design ideas.
Previous comments are valid in that some National Parks now only allow the burning of "manufactured fuel: i.e. definitely "no timber". Therefore the idea of a collapsable brazier is appealing.
Any thougts ... thanks.
Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 at 11:06
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 at 11:06
I guess it will be here in NSW also at some stage.. Its like they dont want you to be there in
places you own and pay for. Thats crazy, Even the no gathering of fallen timber here in some parks is stupid. I'm tired of hearing of the burning of small animals homes. What a load of crap. In all the parks i have been in, it is clean on the ground for a few hundred metres around the
camp and beyond that its totally natural, thousands of acres of untouched national Park floor. So the cockroaches and spiders will have to move another 100 metres into the bush, so what!!! Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce and Anne - Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 at 11:45
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 at 11:45
And we wander why there is so many bush fires in national parks, and I suppose they say that does not kill the little critters. I was told this morning if you take timber into a national park (Qld) it has to be sawn, not with a chain saw. And we are having trouble that there is no
toilets in some popular camping spots, probably cause they do not want to clean them,you have to have a uni degree to get a job with them these days. I would do it for a lot less dollars, but I haven't a uni degree so I cant get a job cleaning dunnies, bugger. Just looking at your rig profile Michael, I had better change
mine to "Now thats an Isuzu family" haha.
Cheers Bruce.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 at 11:59
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 at 11:59
Noel,
I don't believe a brazier is a practical answer.
You can still burn "manufactured fuel" in a campfire surrounded by rocks.
In this way you can still
cook & boil the billy on, or in it.
Manufactured Fuel doesn't have to mean heat beads. There is a product on the market colloquially called "fire logs" which provide an excellent and easily transportable alternative to timber.
The "fire logs" burn hot, with much less smoke and leave behind a coal like residue which lasts a considerable time.
After using these recently, I probably won't bother carting firewood any more, even if it's allowed, unless it is convenient to where I'm camping.
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Follow Up By: Noel W (Qld) - Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 at 12:40
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 at 12:40
Thanks Sand Man
All comments appreciated.
When I tried to get a definition of an "open fire" from NPWS officer, I was told a brazier was allowed. I then asked about e.g. a 20lt drum to contain fire and was told "definitely no wood" and "keep it off the ground" i.e. no fire damage to grass or surrounds.
So I still did not get my definition of an open fire but was told in no uncertain terms what I WAS allowed to do in
Carnarvon NP. As cold as it wil be, we're still going to enjoy our trip as we have done in the past, even without the comfort of an "open fire".
Thanks ...
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 at 14:09
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 at 14:09
Fair enough Noel.
Just goes to show how some of these idiots create illogical rules.
How the hell is a Brazier (open grill type sides) supposed to be any safer than one on the ground, surrounded by a barrier.
Secondly, how do you put out a brazier before it has self burnt out?...Pea (pee) on it?
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 at 16:39
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 at 16:39
We made a totaly portable fire pit that takes up about the same space and weight as a 2 burner camping stove,,,made out of old fridge shelves cut in 1/2 widthwise to make 4 panels ,ea panel is 40cm long x 30cm high ,,join panel 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 top and bottom with small hose clamps ,do not join panel 4 to panel 1 ,this allows the panels to stand on edge in a square configuration yet still fold up into a single panel size 5cm thick ,,then covered panel 2 and 3 in very thin ally sheet to act as wind break ,, 1 more 1/2 panel hinged the same way with 2 small hose clamps on top edge of panel 1 or 4 so as not to interfere with the foldingup sequence ,,perfect for toast /small billy ect ,,, have used in nat parks where supposedly "no open fires" ,, never yet had a
ranger tell me we are breaking the rules ,, ps ,make sure you burn all the plastic coating from the shelves prior to cooking on the unit,,,,,
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Follow Up By: Noel W (Qld) - Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 at 15:04
Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 at 15:04
Thanks Alloy.
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Reply By: Jugs - Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 at 17:16
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 at 17:16
Saw a great South African invention when I was hitching round Africa. The would get a piece of large down pipe about 200mm Dia and fit a mesh grate about 1/4 to 1/3 from the bottom. The pipe had a series of 25-30mm holes drilled into the bottom 1/2. a jug style handle was added to the out side of the pipe. It was used in a couple of ways if they wanted to get some heat beads up to speed quick, you would put some dry tinder in the bottom and throw you heat beads in on top. light the tinder and the whole thing acted like a
chimney with a heap of draw this got an excellent flame going over the heat beads or other fuel to get them all going. You then tipped the lot in to the BBQ pit or brassier for the quickest cooking coals I've seen. If they just wanted a billy it would go straight on top of the pipe. It had a Afrikaans name but I cant remember it.
Jugs
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Follow Up By: Noel W (Qld) - Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 at 15:05
Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 at 15:05
And to you Jugs. Sounds like another great option.
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 at 16:37
Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 at 16:37
Weber make these, you can get them from BBQ's Galore etc...
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Reply By: Russel & Mary - Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:06
Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:06
We ran into a chap and his wife up near Ned's Corner on the Murray last
Easter. This may have been this Barry. He showed us his 9kg gas bottle
camp fire set-up. It looks like the link photos. When I get my hands on a spare bottle, I'll do a similar thing. One tip he said about cutting the bottle with an angle grinder was to take out the tap and fill it with water so there's no gas in there. Leave the water in while you cut it open, a bit will seep out as you get a cut through but won't hurt anything. Rus.
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Follow Up By: Noel W (Qld) - Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 at 15:02
Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 at 15:02
Thanks Rus ... I'm gonna have a crack at this myself as
well.
Cheers
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