Patrol v's Land Cruise & others

Submitted: Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 13:54
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I reckon that this site is visited by more Patrol owners than any other car (going by the questions submitted) and without opening that "bad" can of worms of which car/truck is better - what do you guys reckon - GO TEAM NISSAN (just stirring the pot)
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Reply By: Voxson - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 14:04

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 14:04
Yep.. You only have to see what the U.N. are driving in the harshest deserts in the world to see which 4x4's are the best.........Go Nissan.
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Follow Up By: Jack - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 14:16

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 14:16
... but then again, as a former soldier and Vietnam Vet, we were always told that "the equipment you are using has been supplied by the lowest bidder" ....

and now, back to my 80 series Toyota ..... : )

Jack
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Follow Up By: Bernie - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 14:39

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 14:39
I'M with Jack they use the lowest bid or freeby for the free advertising.

Re number of visitors maybe patrol owners are more vocal.
Patrol site at yahoo is big, Where as Toyota sites are 80,90,100,troopy etc.

Cheers Bernie
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Follow Up By: Wazza - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 15:26

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 15:26
Yup, when you have problems you have to find advice on shortages of power and build quality somewhere.

Stir, stir!! Go 80 go.....
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Follow Up By: Phil G - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 15:49

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 15:49
At least the UN have figured that the GQ was a better vehicle than the GU!
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Follow Up By: Macca - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 16:51

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 16:51
hey jack as another vietnam vet I reckon the cruisers specially the 80 series just have that bit more on the nisssan brick...LUVVVV my 80's
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Follow Up By: Member - Mal - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 17:02

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 17:02
Jack,
I spent 33 years in the Army and generally agree with the "lowest bidder" theory. However, many years ago Toyota came in under Land Rover, when a tender was let for thousands of vehicles. Land Rover (then BMC) let the government know that without the contract Land Rover Australia would fold with the resulting loss of job etc. Land Rover were awarded the contract and we continued to get LR's. Although I am a TOYOTA person through and through I am not knocking LR's. I have been some incredible places in them and done some major damage to them and I wouldn't say Toyotas would have been any tougher, except in the rear axle department. However, it must be remembered that military spected LR's are very different to civilian specifications. If you want a really tough Land Rover, buy ex-military.
Jack, are you going to Camp Pandanus at Kalpower on Long Tan Day? If so I'll see you there.

Mal T.
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Follow Up By: Jack - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 19:54

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 19:54
Hi Mal:

Can't do the Camp Pandanus this year as I have a reunion at Sawtell NSW. Next year?? Big chance if it is on.
Apologies in advance for this being a little "off topic".
Jack
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Follow Up By: Old Soldier - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:19

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:19
G'day Mal,

When are you heading to Pandanus?

Don't reply here - don't want to hijack the thread any more - i'll start a new thread

DennisN
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Reply By: bruce.h - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 15:54

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 15:54
Tim
Main differance between toyota & nissan is the $6000 to $20000 price diferance Other than thatthey are so close in abillity & quality which is why you are starting to see more nissan drivers,just becauce its the cheepest bidder doesnt meen that it is bad product.i remember going on one trip where nissan & toyota drivers baged each other all the way to the camp site claiming how rough the track was & how good they & their respective vehicles went over it only to find a comby van at the camp site with only one track in the one we just came down ,for some unknown reason they all went quite after that,makes you think ah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Kev. - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 17:40

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 17:40
What a story, it made me laugh and wish i was there to see that !
I hate Kombi's.

By the way - Go the 80's

kev.
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Reply By: Truckster - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 16:12

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 16:12
If it was lowest bidder wins they would all be driving Ladas or Tatas.....

And everyone knows quality when they see it, quality car quality site.. to hand in hand really.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mal - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 17:06

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 17:06
Truckster,
It's the lowest price within the specifications.
Mal T.
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Reply By: ThePublican - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 17:13

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 17:13
Human nature demands that the vehicle we own or wish to own becomes the "best" there is, Argue all you may,Ill stick with my FORD EXPLORER until I decide I want something else ,um er um er a long tall icy cold strong scotch and soda!!
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Follow Up By: David - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 18:30

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 18:30
You MUST have a good sense of humour!!
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Follow Up By: Wazza - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 19:30

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 19:30
Hehehe ... here is my mate's Explorer with 1500km on it!

http://www.geocities.com/watercrossing/adamrescue04.jpg
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Follow Up By: Bruce - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 20:46

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 20:46
WAZZA,,WHAT A CRUEL BXXXXXXXR YOU ARE !!!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Thepublican - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 22:17

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 22:17
Well ,he he he he, Wazza,suppose NO driver error involved was there, 1500klm so your mate REALY knows his vehicles capabilities,,,,,, OF COURSE WOULD NEVER SEE A NISSAN OR A TOJO OR A SUZI in such a predicament!!!!!!!! woops another flying pig just went over,,,,time for another scotch.
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Follow Up By: Suzuki Viagra - Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 00:27

Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 00:27
Last time I got stuck so did a Landrover 130 defender with twin difflocks on the same trail......

NEVER underestimate the Zuk's..........

Considering it's not yet over the wheel wells - Army speak for fording depth - then it's a pretty pissweak effort from the Explorer.

Glad you like it on bitumen - cos it's crap offroad.
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Reply By: Suzuki Viagra - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 18:19

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 18:19
If price was the lowest common denominator we'd all be using Jimny's.

We'd be the laughingstock of the world's miliatry though...... Maybe not.....anyone wanna know where they can see shots of our last Suzi club trip?



Seriously, there's bugger all in it between Patrol and Cruiser, except for Toyota's exorbitant parts prices.

Toyota - rips you off in purchase price, serrvice and parts prices.

Nissan - gives you a crap gearbox in your 3 litre.

I know which I'd pick - 4.2 Patrol means best of both worlds. Go the Patrol.

Hang on I picked and 88 Vitara........
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Follow Up By: Diamond - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 18:48

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 18:48
88 vitara we wont hold that against you
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Follow Up By: Suzuki Viagra - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:09

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:09
If you own an explorer you can't pick on anyone else's judgement ---

The Vitara would kick you r ass off road lol!

Just waiting for that difflock to make it complete look at

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~andrew.donoghue/i
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Follow Up By: Suzuki Viagra - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:10

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:10
If you own an explorer you can't pick on anyone else's judgement ---

The Vitara would kick you r ass off road lol!

Just waiting for that difflock to make it complete look at

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~andrew.donoghue/

I make my Vitara work damn hard- you can tell by all the panel damage!
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Follow Up By: Thepublican - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:36

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:36
Suzi needs Viagra, until the day your little made in Japan toy can keep up with real big boys toys you may try to " win " some credibility and admiration, till then dont " bag " something just because you have no personal knowledge of the subject,.. :)

Time for more scotch methinks!!
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Follow Up By: Thepublican - Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 00:43

Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 00:43
Suzi, or should we call you Ozi ,little boys that still play with match box toys such as your good self should perhaps learn how to drive before taking their tonka toys out into the real world, as is of course evidenced by all your " panel damage " ,, actions poor lad speak louder than words,all you have proved is that you cannot control even a tonka toy.
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Follow Up By: Colin - Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 14:48

Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 14:48
Go the Publican right on the mark Col!!!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Suzuki Viagra - Sunday, Feb 23, 2003 at 10:39

Sunday, Feb 23, 2003 at 10:39
The only significant panel damage I have was when I slipped off a high line with no sill protectors. I've also copped:
A couple of small dents from running over loose branches that flicked up. A couple of scratches from overhanging foliage. A bend in a the rear bumper where I backed into a rock trying to reverse out of a boghole. Some dents in the tank from before the body lift when I just had to drag over everything to get out.....

There's damage to show I use it and use it hard but not that I abuse it like I stole it. I don't need to rev it up and bounce on through any more - not since I raised it up 5 inches.........

Most of my 4wd work is heavily washed out, overgrown and narrow Fire Trails. Strangely sudden 2 foot drops when the ground is slippery and you've only got one possible route are just part of the experience - and if you took your 4wd over the same trails you'd have scratches too - the Patrols and Crushers (and Hummer) who come with us do.

Maybe you havent scratched yours because you're even too scared to take it to your local shopping centre in case someone opens a door into it??????

I'm bagging someone it's because they posted the picture of their "experience" - stuff like that's part of the fun. I'm sure the Explorer is a fine car obviously the owner likes it or he wouldn't be proud enough to show a photo of it.

Just don't think that because someone else doesn't have the same brand their car's no good. Calling a Suzuki a Tonka truck is a good laugh and I'll happily wear that - I even have a mate who painted his Tonka Yellow and got some Tonka stickers made up.

Saying they can't do real world 4wd'ing might make you feel better but it isn't backed up the reality the rest of us live in. Look at Tough Truck for proof of that.......
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Reply By: diamond - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 18:24

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 18:24
toyota might be outselling nissan but when your out in the bush patrols at least 5 to 1 must say some thing toyota great if you dont like the hard stuff hehehe go nissan
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Follow Up By: Thepublican - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 18:38

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 18:38
And in the good old US of A the Ford Explorer outsells ALL other 4x4 large and small 5 to 1. , Time for another long strong icy cold scotch and soda. ;)
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Follow Up By: Member - Cruiser1 - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 19:31

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 19:31
More proof that Yanks have little in the brains department....
(As evidenced by their leader....)
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Follow Up By: Thepublican - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:01

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:01
And I am therefor supposed to believe that we Aussies are any better, ask your dad or grandad,whom they fought a war against and won ,Japan lost a war,yet over the last 50 years has taken us over,,Cruiser, you may wish to support an economy that was designed for world domination thu economic stealth and blatant theft and copying,,you have that right ,,payed for in blood to Nissan ,Toyota,Mitsubishi, et,all

Smile and enjoy no matter how we travel across our Great Southern Land ,life is short and getting shorter by the hour ,,More Scotch ,thank you,, ;) ;)
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Follow Up By: Suzuki Viagra - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:15

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:15
Thepublican - Emperor Hirohito would be orud that you still credit him with such power.....


The japanese economy is in a shambles and Ford sells as many 4wd's as Toyota does.

World Domination my ass!

Diamond - I'd bet my life on a Nissan b4 a Toyota evry time - come to think of it I have every day for 5 years including 2 top end trips ........
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Follow Up By: Suzuki Viagra - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:16

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:16
orud = proud lolz!!!!
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Follow Up By: Diamond - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:43

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:43
suzuki i would bet my life on a nissanb4 a toyota as well thats what the bit about go nissan means i own a gq
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Reply By: David - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 18:33

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 18:33
If you are buying a vehicle for the missus to drop the kids at school, and have unlimited dollars to burn- and probably won't take it off road much- go TOJO.
Otherwise go for a patrol.
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Follow Up By: Thepublican - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 18:43

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 18:43
Nah, you'd buy a B.M.W. or a Mercedes. More scotch time ???
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Reply By: Cj - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 20:41

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 20:41
Don't worry about what the UN uses overseas. Trust me, the mining companies are the ones to look at. 'Majority' of their 4WDs are Toyotas. Now, why would a mine choose an 'expensive' toyota over a cheaper Nissan when people think they're virtually the same. There's definitely a reason and with the amount of red dust, mud and corrugations they go through - Those that live in W.A. or have past through the some of the harshest areas will know. You also see Telstra using more cruisers than patrols and they would be experts when it comes to cost cutting but they still use the ol' mighty toyota.

TOYOTA - TOYOTA TOUGH
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Follow Up By: Thepublican - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:14

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:14
And pray tell what price do the mining companys pay for their Toyotas?
Toyota would not be in " bed " with most mining company,s now would it? ;) :0
As for Telstra,still 51% govt owned, since when does a govt. body practice " real " cost cutting.
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Follow Up By: Cj - Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 03:57

Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 03:57
Well imagine how cheap a patrol would be - still, they dont' pick em.
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Follow Up By: Coops - Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 06:28

Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 06:28
CJ most of the Telstar vehicles in the Pilbara are Patrols I'm afraid.
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Follow Up By: Coops - Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 06:29

Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 06:29
that should be Telstra !!!
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Follow Up By: Cj - Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 12:26

Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 12:26
Well I guess you haven't visitedTelstras fleet services section in Perth. I don't know about the Pilbara, but in the goldfields & midwest gascoyne that's all you see - the infamous Hz75/78 and Pc's. Oh and of course....the police service and all their landcruisers - the lead search and rescue authority of W.A.
Bloody hell I'm going to start drinking scotch in a minute.
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Follow Up By: Lyndon - Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 13:56

Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 13:56
CJ is right, mining companies use toyotas because they are tougher not because they are in bed with toyota. I know this first hand because I am a mining engineer working in underground metalliferous mining, all our underground light vehicles are toyota landcruiser 75, 79 series utes. We have used GQ and GU patrols, but our lay down yard is now full of patrols with broken chassis'!!

The patrols are weak in the transfer case (chain), chassis and body. Major strength with the 75 series tojos is the cast iron gearbox and transfer case which actually keeps the water out! Also they dont break in half like a patrol.

However having said that, the 79 series are crap compared to 75 series, namely 100 series shared alloy gearbox flogs out in no time, also cv's crap.

It must be said that these vehicles are driven underground in low ratio 3rd gear flat out, with no care taken at all, and often fing themselves stuck between a rock and a hard place! Also the mining activities of sulphide ore types results in very acidic conditions underground, which corrodes anything out in no time flat, ie brakes.

My vehicle is the mighty HJ61RG VX Sahara! You cant stop that 12HT!!!
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Follow Up By: Lyndon - Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 14:05

Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 14:05
Forgot to mention that like most things in life- "you get what you pay for" and "the quality remains long after the price is forgotton" and with Toyotas that is a looooong time!!

Cheers
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Reply By: Voxson - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:38

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:38
and my other point is ...................which is so blatently obvious that if you disagreed you would definately have to take a day off and have a good look around.......

the difference in price between the "TWO" is so great that Nissan could give a full package with their product, ( bar winch, spotties, snorkel, etc etc...).... whilst Joe Toyota Blow is driving outta the lot with a basic "Belmont" or maybe just scrape a "Kingswood" with a feature or two....

Like "DUHHHHHHH"...

Regards... Shi-zen stirrer...............
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Follow Up By: Voxson - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:42

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 21:42
Oh.. and i read each and every post and reply on this thread and thoroughly enjoyed them........

:o)............
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Follow Up By: Thepublican - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 22:03

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 22:03
Damn fine can of worms opened this afternoon,,,More scotch required methinks,,Hic Hic,
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Follow Up By: Voxson - Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 23:04

Friday, Feb 21, 2003 at 23:04
raises his Johnathon Walker.... "chink"
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Follow Up By: Diamond - Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 13:17

Saturday, Feb 22, 2003 at 13:17
a guy came to work today to get the coopers taken of his old rims and fit to his brand new cruiser and asked a question where do i fit my uhf i told him being a new landcruiser no need for them wont get far enough of road to need one he also laughed lolololol
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Follow Up By: Suzuki Viagra - Sunday, Feb 23, 2003 at 09:43

Sunday, Feb 23, 2003 at 09:43
HAHAHAHA

Too True.....
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Reply By: Coops - Sunday, Feb 23, 2003 at 12:59

Sunday, Feb 23, 2003 at 12:59
Does anyone think that Toyota's decision to go to 5 stud wheel pattern has lost them any sales to Nissan. I would believe so but only my opinion. Have worked for oil companies and currently mining and know the importance of having wheel compatibility within workshops and on the road.
After putting 6 studs on trailer(s) and same profile tyres I couldn't possibly contemplate updating my 80 to a 100 series (even IF I liked them !!!) but I may have to make a choice one day I suppose and the Nissan looks like the likely choice.
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Follow Up By: Diamond - Sunday, Feb 23, 2003 at 13:25

Sunday, Feb 23, 2003 at 13:25
the man has brains
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Reply By: GOB - Sunday, Feb 23, 2003 at 17:59

Sunday, Feb 23, 2003 at 17:59
is this a new or even a record for replies and follow ups in this forum
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Reply By: Voxson - Sunday, Feb 23, 2003 at 19:56

Sunday, Feb 23, 2003 at 19:56
I dunno.. But what the heck.... Here's another one.
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Reply By: David - Sunday, Feb 23, 2003 at 20:46

Sunday, Feb 23, 2003 at 20:46
You obviously all have no idea ... Give me a Lada anyday (Hic)
I think I'll base the decision on what to buy next based on what I've read here.....!@#$%%^*()
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Follow Up By: Suzuki Viagra - Sunday, Feb 23, 2003 at 22:32

Sunday, Feb 23, 2003 at 22:32
Nahhh not Lada - Asia Rocsta's Rock! Give up on these crappy Patrols and Cruisers....


Hahahahaha

Sorry in joke.
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