GU Rear Door

Submitted: Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 08:46
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Hello,

I have an 04 GU wagon patrol with a 35 tire on the back.

My door has started ratteling because i think it has droped from it original position because of the extre weight of the tire.

Has any one else had any problems with having a 35 on their rear door?

Other than getting a rear bar with a wheel carrier is there anything i can do to stop it dropping?
I dont really like rear bars.

Cheers

Brent
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Reply By: Shaker - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:05

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:05
Inside the door there is probably a reinforcing frame between the 2 skins, the spot welds on mine broke away causing an annoying rattle, I don't have a Patrol, but it is a Nissan.
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Follow Up By: Brent.n - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 14:27

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 14:27
Is it easy to check and see if the welds have broken away

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 23:30

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 23:30
You need to remove the inner door trim, you will then soon notice if any spotwelds have pulled out.
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Reply By: Patrol22 - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:09

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:09
Yep I had a similiar problem to Shaker (98 GU Patrol) but I do suspect that the additional weight of the 35" tyre would also potentially cause a problem.
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 11:06

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 11:06
Whats the extra weight?
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Follow Up By: Brent.n - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 14:26

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 14:26
A 35 inch tire
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 17:15

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 17:15
noooooooo I meant what is the weight difference between a 35 and the standard 31's maybe 2kg more???
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Reply By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 11:15

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 11:15
At the bottom of the GU door is a bar-like attachment that seats in a sltted attachment on the body. This hould stop the door from drooping.
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Follow Up By: Brent.n - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 14:28

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 14:28
when i take the rear tire off the rattle goes
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Reply By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 14:32

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 14:32
The fittings on the door and the slotted fitting on the car should stop it from drooping, so I suspect there is some internal damage to the door.
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Follow Up By: Brent.n - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 15:09

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 15:09
is there a way i can check if there is internal damage
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Follow Up By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 16:54

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 16:54
Not sure of the internals. Perhaps if you take the trip off and have a look/feel inside.
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Reply By: Brent.n - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 15:08

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 15:08
is there a way i can check if there is internal damage

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Follow Up By: Dave ....Adelaide - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 22:04

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 22:04
hey brent... there is a way... take the rear door trim off & then open your eyes WIDE & look around inside the door....... cheers mate LOL.......DAVE
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Reply By: Member - Ed. C.- Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 00:58

Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 00:58
Ummm....

Is the door closing properly?? .. Both latches????

I've found that if ya don't close that large door rather (ahem) "firmly", then sometimes the top latch won't fully "grab"...
ya think the door's shut, but as soon as ya hits the rough stuff, she starts to rattle...
Bugga!!!
I've got into the habit now of double-checking both latches each & every time I close that big door.. I also have 'em adjusted so that they're "nice'n'tight", an' she don't rattle no more;-)))....

As mentioned above, the "anti-drop" arrangement _should_ prevent the door from dropping.... provided it's adjusted correctly (and the door's fully closed;-)))

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Follow Up By: Luke SA - Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 10:46

Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 10:46
i have the same problem as you Ed only it is my bottom latch that wont grab properly so i just do the same as you and close it firmly
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Reply By: Member - Cocka - Thursday, Jun 15, 2006 at 18:43

Thursday, Jun 15, 2006 at 18:43
Brent
I'm just rolling through the old EO posts and saw your question.
I'm not sure if you have solved the problem yet but I may be able to help if you havn't.

Just reply your answer to my post & I will respond if necessary.
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Follow Up By: Brent.n - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 16:54

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 16:54
Hi
I have not solved the problem yet it is killing me, there is still a rattle / vibrate noise.

i have taken it to the nissan dealer and they are useless, all they do is grease the seals and say it is sorted, which it isnt.

When i take the spare tire off it stops so it must be something to do with the rear doors.

if you can help in anyway it would be great, i dont want to have to get a rear arb bar with spare tire holder, i dont like the look of them

any info will be great

my email is: brent.n@bigpond.com

cheers

brent
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Follow Up By: Member - Cocka - Tuesday, Jun 20, 2006 at 10:00

Tuesday, Jun 20, 2006 at 10:00
Brent, I have had a few issues which I managed to sort out, some, in hindsight, were of my own making.

Dealing only with the big door, it has a system where, when closed, the doors weight is supported at the bottom by a support bracket and kept in place by a catch at the edge, this arrangement is fairly solid and should not be the problem. Although smear of dry lube would be advised.

However the top of the door also has a catch which becomes an occasional problem for me. Because of the outward hanging pressure of the tyre on the back this latch is subject to more wear than that at the bottom.

The "D" or keeper part of the latch attached to the body is covered with hard plastic and this wears allowing the catch of the door to have a bit of slack and metal to metal contact = rattle. I have some thin sticky backed rubber I wrap on to the "D" keeper section when needed to separate the metals.
Rub your finger on the inside of the catch to feel if it's worn. This rattle was only ever noticible when travelling.

I also had a high lift jack hanging off the tyre at one stage and this caused 2 problems. One, the saddle on which and to which the spare is attached, developed fatigue cracks around the tyre bolt holes. I tried to repair it but had to replace it in the end. Check all attachment points for fatigue cracks.

Two, this extra weight also caused a structural crack on the edge of the door near the bottom of the window just to the left of the spare. Nissan were kind enough to supply a new rear door and I no longer carry the jack on the tyre bracket.
You could hear these noises more as a squeak and were noticble if you hit the tyre sharply with the butt of your hand.

Also if the rear door warning light keeps coming on use a stick on packing patch on the body opposite where the switch touches the body frame at the bottom of the small door. It just packs it out a tad more.

That should go close to finding the prob. Let's know how it goes. If it's still under warranty they should replace any parts required.

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