Effect of Turbo Failures

Submitted: Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 19:31
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There has been some good turbo information on the list recently which helps the decision whether to go turbo or not (e.g. power, torque, economy etc).

There is also an arguement for overall reliability e.g. A turbo is 'just one more thing to go wrong'.

I'd be interested in Forum's experience of turbo faults & failures e.g how to spot the early stages of problems and what happens in case of 'total' failure - does it stop the vehicle or can you limp home?

Failure would include bearing-collapse, turbine collapse, cracks in the turbo body, oil leaks and probably some that I have not thought of! Can a turbo engine still breath through a failed turbo and drive the vehicle to some extent?

Rob
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Reply By: goodsy - Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 20:25

Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 20:25
Haven't heard of much going wrong with turbos. There's not much to them really , and they do show signs of wear to let you know there on the way out, eg. oil use. Like anything thats bolted to your engine it will need replacement/rebuild in the end.
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Reply By: rickwagupatrol - Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 20:58

Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 20:58
simple answer is that if they go bang---you stop.
long answer is that if you look after it,ie, cool down etc, they will last a long time. there are a number of warning sign's from slight whistling at acceleration, oil consumption etc. include a visual inspection of the turbo body on your service list and you will quicky see if anything is going on that requires further invertigation.
the most important thing you can do for a turbo is MAKE SURE THE AIR IT BREATHS IS CLEAN., there is no quicker way for one to die than to get a big mouthfull of dust, etc.
the advantages of a turbo as you described above far outweigh the disadvantages, as long as you are nice to your turbo.:)

rick
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Reply By: Tony James - Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 21:15

Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 21:15
Hi Rob,
Yeh, turbos like anything else can fail. Not common but it does happen. Mine failed at 70k's, Don't know why, all I know is that one bearing seized solid on the shaft. Meant a total rebuild at $1600 approx. I could still drive it although it is not usually advisable. It depends on the failure. If a blade has dissintegrated, then there is a chance of metal being ingested by the motor leading to major internal damage. As mine was a total seizure, I drove very carefully to a major town that had someone who could rebuild turbos. Of course while driving, huge clouds of fuel smoke (deisel) billowed from the exhaust when the engine was under load (accellerating or going up hill) because without the extra air the engine was over fueled to buggery.
Yes I had a timer on the turbo, and yes I serviced the vehicle every 5k, and yes I did everything I should have but I had a failure. One of those things I suppose.
I should mention that the failure gave about 5 minutes notice, I noticed a lack of boost and as I was out in the boondocks had no choice but to keep driving (very carefully). The casing was not damaged, the blades were all intact, just one bearing seized solid. Oil was flowing so the cause is a mistery.
I would still put a turbo on a non-turbo deisel again. This was just 'one of those things'.

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Follow Up By: Goodsy - Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 21:30

Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 21:30
Tony
Can I ask what brand turbo you were running and on what? Not going to bag anything just curious.
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Follow Up By: Tony James - Friday, Feb 28, 2003 at 19:41

Friday, Feb 28, 2003 at 19:41
Hi Goodsy.
A 1HZ with a DTS.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 22:25

Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003 at 22:25
Rob, Having owned 2 80 series factory turbos, both wife and I are sold on turbos. It might be something extra to break down, but then you can break a timing belt at 100 clicks - the turbo would be least of your worries then!

There's thousands of trucks on the road every day with their turbo's whistling away, as they cover many thousands of clicks each week, you don't see too many trucks broken down, with shrapnel holes through the bonnet. A lot of break downs these days are computer dramas.

I'm planning to have a turbo on my walking frame in a few years time, might help with the arthritis. Hooroo...
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Reply By: Rob - Thursday, Feb 27, 2003 at 05:02

Thursday, Feb 27, 2003 at 05:02
Thanks for the good responses - interesting points about metal
entering the engine after a turbine coming apart; also about
the smoke that would appear after the mixture richens up from
sudden reduction of inlet pressure.
Thanks again....
Rob

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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Thursday, Feb 27, 2003 at 15:00

Thursday, Feb 27, 2003 at 15:00
Rob, Forgot to mention before, one of Co.'s Mack Titans did a turbo, think parts of turbine(exhaustside) broke off. They put on new one and within a week new turbo was cactus. Turns out the exhaust valve seats were breaking up, and going through turbo's. Many $$$$$$$$$$$$ later, truck was back on road. hooroo....
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Thursday, Feb 27, 2003 at 15:00

Thursday, Feb 27, 2003 at 15:00
Rob, Forgot to mention before, one of Co.'s Mack Titans did a turbo, think parts of turbine(exhaustside) broke off. They put on new one and within a week new turbo was cactus. Turns out the exhaust valve seats were breaking up, and going through turbo's. Many $$$$$$$$$$$$ later, truck was back on road. hooroo....
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Reply By: Truckster - Thursday, Feb 27, 2003 at 09:07

Thursday, Feb 27, 2003 at 09:07
WHERES COL!!!

He has a supercharger, and the advantage of them, is MORE power, if they die, you undo the belt and drive it home as normal,

down side they cost more, and its anotehr belt to worry about.



What others have said about the turbine self destructing and going thru the motor is true.. it has happened before..
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Follow Up By: David - Thursday, Feb 27, 2003 at 18:03

Thursday, Feb 27, 2003 at 18:03
Col gave me a drive of his supercharged Patrol (thank you Col) and I was most impressed- am seriously considering going in that direction myself. Lots of grunt from down low low ie: idle and up!
A little dearer(not a huge amount) and uses off the shelf parts (Commodore supercharger). As truckster said if U have probs just take the belt off and continue on your way.
PS I think Col is on his way to the FNFNQ (Cairns)
PS Thanks again Col!!
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Follow Up By: Diamond - Friday, Feb 28, 2003 at 00:06

Friday, Feb 28, 2003 at 00:06
only problem with supercharger is there working all the time nice for fuel consumption not where as a tubo will just freely spin till power needed loook at the commodore super charger on a commodore little gain in power for a lot more fuel consuption
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Follow Up By: Suzuki Viagra - Friday, Feb 28, 2003 at 09:08

Friday, Feb 28, 2003 at 09:08
Diamond - not necessarily true - some superchargers (such as the smaller Japanese import ones) use an electronic "clutch" style arrangement similar to air condtioning. These you can have an on/off switch for.

Not so the bigger superchargers such as the commodore one mentioned.
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Follow Up By: David - Friday, Feb 28, 2003 at 11:54

Friday, Feb 28, 2003 at 11:54
Diamond is correct though in that Col said it has affected his economy a bit- whether it's more than fitting a turbo is anybody's guess- a lot would depend on individual driving habits.


Does anybody have feedback on what a turbo has done to their fuel economy ? (pretty relevant these days with fuel prices steeply climbing!!)
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Follow Up By: Tony James - Friday, Feb 28, 2003 at 19:57

Friday, Feb 28, 2003 at 19:57
David,
My fuel consumption was about the same but I was dissapointed with the power increase. I had the mixture checked by another deisel specialist and it was to lean. When he opened up the pump a bit the power increase was great but fuel consumption also increased. Originally getting 11.0 to 11.5 l/100km highway ( no roof rack) now getting 14.5 to 15.5 l/100km (with roof rack). Not sure how much of a difference the roof rack makes - too lazy to take it off to try it. Note also the specialist said he could open the pump further without any dramas, (ie still not over fuelling) but try it and see what I think. Did that and am happy with it now.
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Follow Up By: Tony James - Friday, Feb 28, 2003 at 20:01

Friday, Feb 28, 2003 at 20:01
David,
My fuel consumption was about the same but I was dissapointed with the power increase. I had the mixture checked by another deisel specialist and it was to lean. When he opened up the pump a bit the power increase was great but fuel consumption also increased. Originally getting 11.0 to 11.5 l/100km highway ( no roof rack) now getting 14.5 to 15.5 l/100km (with roof rack). Not sure how much of a difference the roof rack makes - too lazy to take it off to try it. Note also the specialist said he could open the pump further without any dramas, (ie still not over fuelling) but try it and see what I think. Did that and am happy with it now.
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Reply By: David - Friday, Feb 28, 2003 at 12:02

Friday, Feb 28, 2003 at 12:02
BTW, getting back to Robs original question...
A good installation looked after properly should be very reliable!

My cousin in Mooloolaba is on his fourth Maverick/Patrol tray back TD42. He bought them all new, turboed them from new (latest is GU factory turbo) and drives them at only one speed (Flatout- usually with a big load on) He trades 'em in approachinh 400,000km and has literally never put a spanner to any of them apart from oil/filters and normal ROUTINE maintennance.
He sold one to a mate and it's now over 500,000km still no problems.
That is reliability!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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