HF, Sat Phone and CDMA?

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We need a good setup for our trip which will include travelling some remote areas. The only criteria is great communication both from phone and e-mail to the outside world and some web-surfing as well. What would be the ideal setup from HF, Sat-phones and/or CDMA. Brands, approximate prices and retailers would be helpful. Any input appreciated.

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Reply By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 at 19:44

Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 at 19:44
I use a Globalstar sat phone with data cable.

It is like being at home except more expensive.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 at 20:29

Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 at 20:29
Phew! At those rates you must be making some good profits Derek :)
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Reply By: Member - Geoff T (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 at 20:17

Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 at 20:17
yep we are with globalstar also and guess what just the same as being home but more expensive we treat our sat phone as an emergancy only if we have too make a $1000'00 call who cares
e-mails use the telstra mini max works on the cdma network very good

both about $30.00 @ month plus conection fees
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Follow Up By: Longreach - Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 at 10:08

Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 at 10:08
And if you want to save money on sat phone use, SMS is very cheap and efficient, especially if you dont leave the phone on all the time.
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Reply By: Shaker - Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 at 23:03

Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 at 23:03
CDMA is a waste of time & money.
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Reply By: Phil.Fehlberg - Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 at 23:09

Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 at 23:09
I believe that Telstra is shutting down the CDMA network and replacing it with G3. That would make an investment in CDMA short-lived. " target="EOF" class="lbg">Site Link
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Jul 07, 2006 at 23:30

Friday, Jul 07, 2006 at 23:30
Right now I can get a free CDMA phone if I sign for 2 year $20/month contract (incl $15 of call credit) with Telstra. In two years I assume I will get a free 3GSM phone if I sign for another two years.

If you want to get a phone NOW that will have reasonable coverage in remote areas, you have NO CHOICE OTHER THAN CDMA.

Telstra's New National 3G Mobile Network
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Reply By: phillip owen - Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 at 10:38

Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 at 10:38
Have just been reading the "Australian 4WD Monthly, Discover New South Wales Edition" and on page 25 it described possibilities for remote area communication. You could get a satellite phone or HF radio, but the other option in this article is a Motorola 9500, 9505 or later model 9505A mobile phone.

According to this article, you need a Telstra GSM mobile plan with international roaming enabled and all you need to do is put the SIM card from the Telstra mobile into the Motorola phone and you will have coverage.

This is because the Motorola phone models (9500, 9505, 9505A) are the only ones currently built to operate on the Iridium satellite network, the smae network that Telstra GSM mobiles use.

Don't know how this works but could be worth a look. :)
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Follow Up By: brian - Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 at 10:57

Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 at 10:57
phillip are you saying you will have sat phone coverage without a sat phone but using a motorola,thus normal telstra didgital coverage when available and all over coverage with motorola handset ????

second question could you achieve the above with just a motorola and telstra SIM card ?????
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Follow Up By: phillip owen - Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 at 14:06

Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 at 14:06
Brian,
The article that I am referring to leads me to understand that only those 3 models of motorola phone communicate directly with the Telstra satellite network. (Other mobile phones communicate with a base station before the station send the signal to a satellite if necessary). Thus, if the phone picks up a satellite, which it should as these satellites are in a geosynchronus orbit, it will get reception and you can make a call. I believe this works because of the direct communication with the satellite from the Motorola phone and the Telstra GSM mobiles using the same satellites.

So you should be able to use the Motorola 9500, 9505 or 9505A anywhere and any other Motorola phone only when it has ground-based reception.

I have not tried this, so I do not know if it will work or not, only saying what I have read from the article to try and provide another possibility to purchasing a Sat phone.

Best check with Motorola and Telstra if this is the case.
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Follow Up By: phillip owen - Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 at 14:16

Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 at 14:16
The Motorola 9505A is a satellite phone. Check out the link below for details:

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I am assuming that if you put your Telstra SIM card into the phone then it will work as if a normal mobile on your existing mobile phone plan. I suppose it saves signing up for another phone plan and paying monthly rental etc.
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Follow Up By: brian - Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 at 17:59

Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 at 17:59
Have contacted /asked motorola for advice/confirmation and will post the reply.BTW from their website it appears motorola have handsets that send and receive both didgital and satellite signals,the phone automatically decides which to use depending on location...didnt enquire into costs.
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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 00:17

Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 00:17
"as these satellites are in a geosynchronus orbit,"

Iridium satelites are not geosynchronus - there are many in a low altitude orbit - there are enough to have at least one in sight at any time
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Follow Up By: phillip owen - Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 18:06

Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 18:06
"Iridium satelites are not geosynchronus - there are many in a low altitude orbit - there are enough to have at least one in sight at any time"

Thanks for that. I was informed that they were in geosync orbit. I guess it shows that you really need to talk to many people about these and not the 2 that I did.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 19:30

Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 19:30
There are only two satellite phone networks available in Australia that use handheld phones - Globalstar and Iridium.

Globalstar has forty-eight satellites orbiting at 1400km that uplink your phone to the nearest Gateway earthstation in Australia.

Iridium has sixty six satellites orbiting 700km up and the phone links to the satellite with the strongest signal, then via other satellites back to the Ground Station in the USA, then back to Australia via Undersea cable. There is no half-second satellite delay because it does not use Geosynchronous satellites at all.

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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 19:42

Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 19:42
"built to operate on the Iridium satellite network, the smae network that Telstra GSM mobiles use. "
- this could be easily mis-interpreted. In fact, Telstra GSM mobiles don't use any satellite network - they link back to land-based earth stations, that are linked by Fibre or microwave.

A SIM card that works in a telstra GSM phone (and has International Roaming) will ALSO work in an Iridium phone without any further setup (because Telstra has an arrangement with Iridium to Satellite calls to a Telstra GSM Bill).

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Reply By: brian - Thursday, Jul 06, 2006 at 09:15

Thursday, Jul 06, 2006 at 09:15
Had a reply from motorola they advised cannot use one sim card between sat phone and normal handset,must have seperate cards and contracts for each.
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 11:00

Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 11:00
Motorola need to get out more and actually use their phones.
See Mike DiD's post below for exactly how it works.

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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Jul 07, 2006 at 23:20

Friday, Jul 07, 2006 at 23:20
There are only three phones that will work with Iridium satellites - Motorola 9500(can't send SMS), 9505 or 9505a. These phones will NOT work on any terrestrial network.

There are several network you access using the Iridium satellites.
- You can sign up as an Iridium Network using and you will get a SIM card and number that is valid only for the Iridium Network - you dial an International Number form within Australia.
- Telstra have an arrangement with the Iridium operator for Telstra GSM SIM cards with International Roaming to be recognised and charge dto your Mobile Phone Bill. You pay abt $2.30 per minute for INCOMING and outgoing calls within Australia. Sending an SMS costs about a dollar and incoming SMS are not charged.
- SIM cards from other Australian phone networks will NOT work in Iridium phones.

Even if you have NO SIM card in an Iridium Phone, you can still call 112 and get through to an Australian "000" Operator.

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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 08:56

Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 08:56
Mike,
Slight correction, I have a GSM adapter for my 9505 Iridium phone. Very few people have heard of them let alone seen one.
It's a device that replaces the battery cover on the 9505 and allows the phone to choose a network. In the phone setup you get four choices,
1. Cellular Always,
2. Cellular Preferred,
3. Sattelite Always,
4. Sattelite Preferred.

The device is called a Cellular Cassette GSM 900MHz and is Motorola Type Number: MG2-4E31
What you've chosen in the setup menu governs the phones behaviour. Needless to say, I use Option 2 - Cellular Preferred. That way if there is no Terrestrial GSM coverage the phone reverts to Iridium.

Otherwise I agree 100% with your SIM card choices in Iridium Phones. Only flaw with the 9505 is the inability to send SMS.

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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 20:16

Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 20:16
Corection,

The only flaw with the 9500 is its inability to send SMS. The 9505 can send SMS!

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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 21:40

Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 21:40
From your criteria, you've pretty much ruled out HF. But I like HF. You may find an argument for having both Sat Phone and HF.

#1 I joined the Bushphone network so I can telephone the family (or anyone else) through the HF while I'm away. ($115/yr) Great thing about this sort of phone is that its hard to be called - so you don't get bothered by work phoning you!!
#2 I joined the VKS-737 4wd network, so I can get advice and help if the need were to arise. I can find out local weather, conditions etc ($70/yr)
#3 I can listen to ABC radio on HF to find out how the rest of the world is suffering and who lost the football
#4 Friends on HF can selcall me and chat at no cost

HF has its downsides: It can be difficult to learn. Transmissions can be difficult if theres a lot of "noise". It needs a good installation and a good aerial, and it needs a healthy 12Volts. Phone calls can be hard for the user at the other end.

Email and Internet are possible with HF but are painfully slow and are just getting developed.

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