Blown up Patrols

Submitted: Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 22:29

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Have any of those that have had their 3.0L patrols die, filled out a report to the The Department of Transport and Regional Services/Australia Transport Safety Bureau?
Surely an engine dieing would be grounds for a safety recall to explore a rectification if they are as common as we are lead to believe? Jackeroos just got a recall going all the way back to '96 models from guys standing up and complaining as well as siting overseas examples where Isuze had admitted fault with the engines.

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Reply By: fourstall2000 - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 08:53

Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 08:53

This is a very interesting contribution.
As one who had their 2000 patrol engine replaced under Nissans rectification program, I was less than satisfied with the lack of information Nissan would provide on what caused the failure.
The old chestnut of low oil levels did not wash as the vehicle had the oil capacity increased early in its life by recall.
There have been dozens of theories posted on this site as to why they fail.
I myself was so worried (and still am) that the engine could fail again that I contacted the consumer affairs here in Victoria.
They got as frustrated as me eventually and could not force a direct answer from Nissan.
All I managed to get out of them was that the replacement motor was a current manufactured unit ie 2003 model.
It is quite clear Nissan have managed to avoid a recall by this secrecy.
I like other owners would love to see a statement out of Nissan as to what really was the cause of the failures to this otherwise great performing engine.
Regards

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Follow Up By: camwill69 - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 09:14

Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 09:14

Hi all,
Do not hold your breath. Nissan will not make such a statement. They won't even give the info to Fair Trading upon Summons. Fact.
Regards,
Camwill69

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 21:44

Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 21:44

Then they would be dishing out many 10's of thousands of $$ in fines first time, then into the 100k's.... which I doubt they would

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Reply By: Rigor - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 10:25

Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 10:25

Hi Guys , I am an owner of a recalled Jackaroo , the models in question are 1998 on 3 litre TD . The recall has been done as the problem is a safety issue eg. the internal O ring inside the HUEI injector fails and allows diesel to enter the crankcase oil , this may result in a runaway engine if the oil level builds up sufficiently . The point is that it is a safety issue and that is why it cannot be ignored by Isuzu or GMH . Don't let this put you off your endeavours for a fair go with the Patrol 3 L , just pointing out that that the reasons are different.

Cheers Dave L.

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Reply By: camwill69 - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 12:11

Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 12:11

Hi All,
How come we do not hear about this same problem with the 3L TD Navara? Same engine as patrol since 01 without the intercooler. The Navara is not that much ligther than the Patrol so you would not think the weight is the issue. Is it the intercooler? Navara seems like great truck without same engine issue.
Regards,
Camwill69

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Follow Up By: Leroy - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 22:11

Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 22:11

maybe the variable vane turbo ont he patrol is the issue? Maybe the engine came out in the Navara after sulfur levels in diesel dropped? errr dunno??

Leroy

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Follow Up By: DMECH - Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 00:14

Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 00:14

Hi CAMWILLi know of 6 navaras in my area that have blown up sim to patrol cracked pistons etc. seems if you push themm hard enough exactly the same results. I looked at some of these engine's i think the problem lays in the cooling of the piston's by way of the sqirting pipes under the pistons ,the latest engines are supposed to be ok now . i asked our dealer what the problem was and he told me that nissan would not tell them.However when they have filled out warranty for the failed engine's nissan have asked the dealer to measure the pipes mentioned above, the pipes look far to small to me.it appear's they have increased the size of the pipes ,and perhaps oil pump volume . as for safety issue , i know of a couple of cases when the piston/s have failed/cracked the let large amounts of oil into the combustion chamber causing engine to take off as sim. to the izusu mentioned above , JUST MY 2 BOB'S WORTH

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Reply By: Member - nrb1748 (VIC) - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 22:24

Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 22:24

Engine failure may not in itself be deemed a 'safety' issue by the Dept of Transport.

However reports of uncontrollable engine over revving at the time of failure because of the ingestion of oil, as well as the loss of power steering and braking vaccum when it stops, certainly should be considered a serious safety concern.

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Follow Up By: Muzzgit (WA) - Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 19:44

Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 19:44

It could also be a safety concern if the motor was to blow right in the middle of a tricky manouver while 4Wdriving or trying to get up off the soft sand of a beach onto the harder sand, between waves.

Hell, we've all had to do it, imagine if the stuffing thing blew right at that moment ??? DOH

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