For GU >2002 owners only.
Submitted: Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 19:36
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Peter McG (Member, Melbourne)
First please make sure you have read Posts 15734, 33346, 34261 and 35596.
I wanted to make as many of you as I can aware of the issue of studs shearing and alloy
wheels falling off before Jan and I head for our trip to the Cape next week.
As you will see I have referred my case to the federal department of transport. I encourage others of you who have had similar experiences to do so as
well.
I think there is mounting evidence to show that there is a major problem with the Nissan Patrol alloy
wheels on Patrols from 2002 on. These are the alloys that arew fitted to all cars when they changed from steel
wheels as standard.
As you can see I have changed my
wheels to steel, had all studs replaced and fitted new nuts.
Nissan has a repsonsibility to investigate what is going on here and take action before someone is injured as a result of wheel leaving a vehicle. I think this will only happen if enough of us send evidence and a request to investagte to the federal department responsible for vehicle safety.
Thanks for reading.
Peter
Reply By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 21:08
Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 21:08
Great idea Peter, not that I own a patrol (I wish) but yes I wouldn't personally like one to be coming towards me either the wheel by its self or a patrol on 3
wheels, come on guys back Peter up on this one as it could be any one of us or our familys, or any one for that matter, faced with this problem which as we know could end up in tradgedy. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: cokeaddict - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 21:18
Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 21:18
Hi Peter
if you want action, (which nissan should already have started) call John Laws and let him know on air, nissan cant afford publicity like that mate. They will hear your call and pass info onto head honcho's to get their act together. Its sucha cop out how manufaturers these days do nothing about repeated faults with vehicles.
If your serious about it as a safety factor for the unsuspection owners of GU's then call him and speak to him on air about it mate.
Someone has to get the ball rolling and its gotta be someone like urself who has expierence this issue so the facts are correct.
Im on your side with this one
Ange
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Follow Up By: Plantman - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 23:18
Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 23:18
Go to his website and email him the story if you think he'll get some action. Possibly give him links to these posts.
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Reply By: Leroy - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 21:23
Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 21:23
Steel
wheels are not prone to sheering wheel studs either! I know of one Nissan steel wheel heading in another direction to the vehicle! I can't remember exactly but this guy may of had this happen twice!
Me, I'm not too worried about it. There are sooo many patrols onthe road that the chance of it happening are small.
Leroy
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Follow Up By: Rigor - Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 09:00
Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 09:00
I work for Telstra and we have a large fleet of Patrols , all with steel
wheels as you can imagine . In the basement of our building there is a collection of steel rims that all have the stud holes flogged out , don't know if these
wheels parted company with the vehicle or not or if the studs sheared but it appears that they simply came loose and flogged out ??? Incorrect tightening procedure ?? don't know , our vehicles are very heavy and have upgraded
suspension to help cope with the weight , maybe a factor ? Anyhow my point is that it happens to steel
wheels as
well .
Cheers Dave L.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 21:34
Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 21:34
Nissan should do lots of things, dont hold your breath though...
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Follow Up By: Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 21:44
Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 21:44
Bruce,
I agree and I'm not. I hope that the feds apply some pressure to Nissan in time and given enough information from others.
We are going away for 5 weeks but want you all to just be aware of the issue and as I have said many times in recent weeks - check your nuts. So that I feel safe in the car - I now use steels.
Peter
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Reply By: Motherhen - Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 22:08
Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 at 22:08
What! So not only do we have to worry about our motor blowing up, but have to worry about the
wheels falling off too?
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Reply By: Muzzgit (WA) - Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 00:26
Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 00:26
I have mentioned before and I'll say it again....
I do not agree with you when you put the blame on Nissan.
It is the fault of tyre repairers/suppliers who do-not/can-not/will-not do things properly.
These dikheads insist on using rattle guns and insist that they are OK, there is nothing wrong with them, dunno what your problem is mate, because they are to lazy and/or tight fisted to use a torque wrench which is standard practice according to the manufacturers of alloy rims.
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Follow Up By: Rokkitt - Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 08:35
Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 08:35
Muzzgit,
If this is the case then surely Nissan should have come to the party and found a resolution....does this happen to other vehicles or is it just the Patrols that the workshops have to be gentle with? I would assume other 4wd's are being taken to these same workshops?
While we are on the subject does anyone know what size stud is used on the Patrol??? I went to "Pick-a-part" on the weekend to grab a replacement wheelnut after losing it in the shed....the Falcon wheel nut I found seemed to big! not sure this was a standard size though without going to Ford to purchase one.
Rod
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 11:40
Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 11:40
According to you nothing on earth is nissans fault. You wouldnt be a 99% shareholder would you?
>>> It is the fault of tyre repairers/suppliers who do-not/can-not/will-not do things properly.
Then why is it not happening with ANY other 4wd mentioned??
Foot in mouth remover over there ---->>>>
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 16:02
Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 16:02
It happened on my 1994 Daihatsu Rocky with alloy rims. They did em' up to tight and the studs sheered off while I was doing 100km/hr!
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Follow Up By: sevo - Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 20:24
Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 20:24
Truckster,
What a load of ^%$#, of course it happen's to other vehicles.
Did you not see on the back pages of a recent 4x4 magazine, a TOYOTA SURF and guess what NO LHR WHEEL !!!!!!
Foot in mouth remover over there ---->>>>
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 20:56
Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 20:56
fevo...
I dont buy bias 4wd advertising booklets, only a clown would... So this was for certain caused by a tire fitter??
No, you dont know that, so before you make a bigger wank of yourself, shoot yourself.
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit (WA) - Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 23:14
Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 23:14
Hey truckie, take a valium dude.
What a load of crap you speak !!!
I have put the boots into Nissan many, many, many times on this
forum. Beginning with my very first post in 2004 regarding the poxy poor excuse of an airfilter box, from which I got a bagging for bagging Nissan, to the most recent regarding those piff poor auto FWHubs on the GU.
Anyway, It's not the fault of Nissan or Toyota or Ford, and even Truckster can't be blamed for this one! It's the dikhead with the rattle gun who should get ALL THE BLAME.
And for the fella going on a big trip who dosn't want the
wheels to fall off... Hell mate, you did buy a Nissan, remember ha ha ha
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Follow Up By: sevo - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 09:51
Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 09:51
Oh Truckster,
You have no idea, cannot spell and asume to much.
When will you learn..................... never!!!!!!!!
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Reply By: RedGibber - Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 20:22
Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 20:22
I wonder how many of us check our wheel nuts on a regular basis?
Relying on others (read mechs) to do the job when service periods come around is asking for trouble IMO. And service periods are too long between wheel nut checks. Remember that GU wagons (and other similar large 4WDs) are ~2.5t so regular wheelnut checks HAVE to be done!!
Gregorys Patrol manual states torque wrench setting on the wheel nuts at 118-147Nm. In Imperial measure that's 87 to 108.5 ft/lbs. 147Nm is 25% more than 118...go figure........
I check
mine every month, and use a torque setting of 125Nm (I have the OEM alloys).
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Follow Up By: Member - Ed. C.- Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 21:13
Monday, Jul 10, 2006 at 21:13
My thoughts exactly!!!
Any time I've had a wheel (or
wheels) off for whatever reason, I'll 'check my nuts' within 100km or so, & regularly thereafter...
Definitely check 'em before before any major excursion on the highway, and on extended off-road trips, I'll check 'em at least once a week...
Also worth noting I think, is tightening technique (quite apart from the whole rattle-gun debate)...
I always use a lube (Lanox) on the threads, and do all the nuts up finger-tight before torque-ing 'em up in cross-sequence, and in stages..
My (W&B) torque wrench is set at 90 ft/lbs (Sunrasia type rims)...
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