101 reasons not to snatch a softroader

Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 15:28
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A while back (early June) I said I would post a link to a vehicle being pulled apart by snatching in a minor snowdrift. Here it is.

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Whilst it depicts a car, there is no difference in the construction of the vehicle to a softroader, and the structural deficiencies of not having a chassis (or chassis in body a la Paj/RR/new Disco) are pretty obvious, caused by the (designed) flimsy constuction of the crumple zone . Perforation along the floorpan will occur with only a moderate amount/force of snatching.

Enjoy.................
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Reply By: Troop-a-dour - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 15:34

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 15:34
Bugga.......
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Reply By: Capt. Wrongway - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 15:39

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 15:39
G'Day Gary,
I think your really "drawing a long bow" to suggest the similarity between a bunch of "clowns" playing "silly bugers" - to someone correctly retreaving a softroader
( any make ) from difficulty.

"But it looked good anyway!"

Regards,
Capt.
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Reply By: Barnesy - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 16:14

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 16:14
I think next time they may consider digging out some of the snow first. As any experienced 4wder in Oz would know.
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Reply By: Hairy - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 17:16

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 17:16
Simple!!!
Buy a real 4x4.....One with a chassis!
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Reply By: Scubaroo - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 18:43

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 18:43
Mitsubishi did some rigorous real-world tested snatching the NM Pajero in sand to dispell such myths about them not being snatchable etc because of the monocoque body. Not the slightest distortion anywhere in the body, or changes in gaps between panels etc. That was using a single front recovery loop too, not spreading the load with an equaliser strap.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 21:59

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 21:59
They have a longditudinal frame hidden within the monocoque body that run the full length, and are in fact almost a "semi-monocoque" if such a thing exists. (was included in my exeptions to the monocoque construction in the original post for this reason)
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 19:35

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 19:35
For this video, we don't know what they attached the towrope to - it might have been the Bumper mounting bracket rather than a towing hook.

Mike
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Reply By: WDR - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 19:54

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 19:54
Gord - What a catastophe for the car owner. Re what it was attached to, I noticed the bumper move with their first try - Wow - What an expensive tow!
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Reply By: Mark T - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 19:55

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 19:55
How about the reverse?

I snatched a troop carrier out on Fraser with my Hyundai Tucson. No problems or damage.

You had better get used to monocoque construction as four wheel drives with chassis are an endangered species.

Wait 10 years and see how many will be being produced.

Cheers

Mark T
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Reply By: johannagoanna - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 20:01

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 20:01
yeah, I think this was more due to an inadequate point used to try and recover the vehicle. I would also hesitate to add that maybe, unlike 4wd/softroader recoveries, the car being retrieved did not appear to be trying to reverse at the same time, his wheels weren't even moving!!

Sorry, close but NO comparison!!!

Jo
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Reply By: stevesub - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 20:03

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 20:03
The Freelander has snatch rated recovery loops front and rear - and we have a Freelander that has had many snatches over the years and not all of them were light ones. We got documentation for Land Rover stating that the recovery points are snatch rated. (NOT the tie down points which the Freelander also has).

Most of the soft roaders do not have rated recovery points which is a problem, especially if they have no towbar or have to be recovered forwards.

Our Freelander is now for sale, anyone want to buy a well USED Freelander, don't blame you if you don't want it, no-one else wants it including us.

Stevesub
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:07

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:07
Why didnt the car just drive out forward?
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:26

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:26
Now, let me see..............

I seem to remember a snow trip when someone found himself in pretty much the same situation, and he couldn't drive fwd either.

Would you know if that person bought himself a better spade yet???????

OWN3D rotflmao
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 23:00

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 23:00
if you wanna be smart, what does softroader have to do with the CAR in the photo?
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 23:33

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 23:33
Same construction method, most softies are based on car platforms (floorpans) anyway. (Kluger = Camry, Territory = Falcon, BMW X* = passenger models, RAV4 = Corolla, CRX = Integra, Tuscon/New Sportage = Elantra, etc.). They may be modified for use with rear diffs, etc., but they do not have any "stringers" holding them together along the floorpan, relying almost soley on the transverse welds in the floorpan for strength. Once these welds start to let go, they unzip like a zipper (seen in the video). A full chassis vehicle (or chassis in body vehicle) has the (obvious) chassis from front to back with adequate strength and support of the body to maintain structural integrity.

The floorpan of a vehicle is one of the most expensive parts of the vehicle to engineer, due to the contribution it makes to strength, suspension/handling, physical location of components, and load carrying. Everything else in the superstructure by it's nature is "windowdressing" in comparison. Reusing the floorpans (even with modifications) with new superstructures on them is a far cheaper way of designing a "new" vehicle than actually designing a floorpan from scratch for every model.

The main differnce in recent times has been the crumple zones leading to weaker ends of the vehicle to absorb the energy of an impact. There simply is nowhere to attatch a decent anchorage point as it's all designed to "fall to bits".
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Reply By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 23:28

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 23:28
There is a longer 2:12 video of more of the same incident which shows how something simple got horribly complicated too damn quick.

" target="EOF" class="lbg">www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF693eh9mUU

Much longer video, so will be slow on dialup connection

Tim
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 23:36

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 23:36
Didn't work. Have you just uploaded it?

Dave
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Follow Up By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 23:38

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 23:38
No, not sure why it came up with that fault.

Try these links instead

Site Link
and even a longer one:
Site Link
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 23:48

Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 23:48
That is soooo funny. Mainly because it wasn't my car.

Ouch.

RAOFLMAO

Dave
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Reply By: ed. - Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 16:32

Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 16:32
looks like they hooked it up to the muffler hanger/exhaust pipe...
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 16:54

Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 16:54
I doubt the hanger would be strong enough to rip the rear end off, they are usually only a piece of bent wire welded to the body (easily "unbent"). More likely the tiedown.
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Follow Up By: ed. - Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 16:56

Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 16:56
The reason I suggested the muffler/hanger was because it looks like the whole muffler got pulled off and with it the rear bar.
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