Mass resignation of Victorian MPs expected

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Reply By: Exploder - Saturday, Jul 15, 2006 at 14:46

Saturday, Jul 15, 2006 at 14:46
"Forcing motorists to drive at the posted speed limit is the surest way of reducing the road toll," he said.> ROTFLMAO, These guys are living in fantasy world

Ms Pike, who was clocked doing 64km/h in a 60km/h zone, > OH MY GOD a huge 4km/h over the limit, quick call the crises emergency squad.

Ø The fine reminded her that even driving a little over the limit was too fast.> You can’t be serious.

Hay I am all for safe and realistic speed limits and fines, but first they need to implement safe and realistic limits and fines, 10k over is worth a point and a fine 4k’s over is worth nothing as it is just that nothing, hell the Speedo could be 2km/h out from factory, so what that gives you a 2km/h margin to work in, so how are you meant to concentrate on the road and condition when you are looking at the Speedo every 5 seconds.

The funniest thing is even the dimwits who implement these laws can’t even abide by them.

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Follow Up By: Barnesy - Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 04:14

Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 04:14
What's ROTFLMAO?
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Follow Up By: Ray Bates - Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 09:16

Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 09:16
At the present time the police in W.A. are on a "Work to Rule" if that is the correct thing to say and one of their policies is to block the view of multinovas. I would say that by these actions the police consider multinovas as revenue raisers?
You can buy two fully equipped police cars for the price of a multinova and put them on the road to deter bad driving.
On the other side of the scale if we were do away with multinovas there would be a lot of lost revenue and taxes would rise for everyone.
I know that there are a lot of ridiculas penalties given out but if you do the right thing you shouldn't get caught out by these things but you can't beat having the good old copper patroling the roads to keep the accident rate down
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 13:24

Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 13:24
“ROTFLMAO” Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off

I know what you are saying but you need to have bit of give like 64 in a 60 zone who cares, 70 in a 60 zone now that is over the limit and you know it.

I will sometimes be driving and I prefer to look at the road myself when driving and not the Speedo every 5 seconds, sometimes I will look down and I will be on 65 oh Ok, adjust the speed back to 60 no worries.

Or on the freeway in the right hand lane doing 100 as some of the people in the left are doing 90 or something stupid, I see my turn coming up and I am next to a truck or cars that are in the left, so intend of hitting the brakes and trying to muscle my way into the left lane agene, speed up to 110 for a few second get in front of the truck, cars merge over into the left lain then slow back down to 100 and exit.

Personally I can’t see anything wrong with doing that, ok I will admit sometimes manly in the country, on roads I know I will sit on 120-130 if I feel it is safe to do at the time. Most of the time I do the limit as I need my license but sometimes it is just frustrating some of the posted limits that are set.
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Reply By: Mr Fawlty - Saturday, Jul 15, 2006 at 14:53

Saturday, Jul 15, 2006 at 14:53
Can I stop laughing yet????
Still we live in a fair democracy don't we, we've tried a religious GG and he was sheltering child molesters....
We in the ACT have had some of our most luminous pototicians before the courts on DUI charges & they for some reason get off...
Naaaaaaa Great country, wouldn't miss it for quids....
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Follow Up By: feral - Saturday, Jul 15, 2006 at 17:08

Saturday, Jul 15, 2006 at 17:08
What about some more farcical thinking from our MP's. The Geelong road is limited to 100 KPH. Vicroads statistics say they would have a crash rate increase of 30% if the limit went to 110kph.

This may be correct but the reality is that it is a 4 lane highway. To be fair to motorist it is a joke that you can do 110kph from Phillip Island to Melbourne but you are not able to from Geelong to Melbourne. Its only on the other side of the bay!!! From Phillip Island it mainly 2 laned highway.

And for those who would say but it's a busy road during peak hour..sure I agree with that. So why not have the same technology that introduced speed cameras and have those lighted variable speed sighs that are used for school speed limits.

Nah...that would be too smart thinking from those dumb f***'s who we elect to represent us.

Oh yeh, and the revenue stream that the current policy creates.

Cheers,
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Reply By: Member - Pezza (QLD) - Saturday, Jul 15, 2006 at 17:38

Saturday, Jul 15, 2006 at 17:38
They spend most of their time and our money coming up with new schemes and propaganda on the speed thing because it is their biggest source of revenue and they have do their best to try and justify their b/s actions and brainwash the general public into believing the crap they try to deal us up.
It's no good spending money trying to educate people in managing their fatigue or educating them on how to actually DRIVE and how to share the road with other vehicles of differing sizes instead of just how to get a licence, because there is no financial return.
Speed cameras, fixed and mobile, are a far better investment for them than doubling our police force for instance, which would be far more effective in not only reducing our road toll but reducing crime of all sorts overall.
The biggest problem with our 2 party prefered voting system is that neither is that much better than the other when it comes right down to it, they are both there to make as much money as they can to fill the coffers which they can then use to cover up their numerous blunders.

Avagoodn
Pezza
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Saturday, Jul 15, 2006 at 18:15

Saturday, Jul 15, 2006 at 18:15
Fatigue> Now that is a interesting one in this day and age in the busy hectic life styles we are required to live.

For instance I get up at 4:15am 5 day’s a week for work start at 6am, now how do you think my employer would react f I called up a said sorry I am not going to be in today till 8am as am feeling to fatigued and don’t think it would be safe for me to drive right now.??

On that same note, I was injured last year on the Job when a very large Shaft crushed 3 of my figures resalting in Bugged fingernails, fractured knuckles and the tip’s of my figures splitting open from the pressure that was put on them.

The result was I was on antibiotics and painkillers for 2 weeks and my right hand was bandaged up for a month and I could not use it. The Company doctor had me on restricted duties for a month I.E (At work doing Sweet FA).

Now both the doctor and the company new it would technically be illegal for me to drive yet I was still expected to attend work, how would of they taken it if I turned around and sorry I won’t be at work as I don’t think I can safely operate a automobile and I would be putting my life and others in danger.???
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 15, 2006 at 18:27

Saturday, Jul 15, 2006 at 18:27
Now that is a late Friday Funny, Mike LOLOL
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Reply By: F4Phantom - Saturday, Jul 15, 2006 at 19:32

Saturday, Jul 15, 2006 at 19:32
This site is worth a look, they have facts showing speed camas are bull crap.

www.roadsense.com.au/

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Reply By: Barnesy - Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 04:13

Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 04:13
The fact is most serious accidents involving injury occur on country roads. A $200 fine for doing 64 kmh is stupid.

Ive been fined $250 for accidently turning into a bus zone, i drove straight out again, was in there for less than 15 seconds. The cop wrote me a fine which blocked the road for 10 minutes! At least his statistics looked good.

Sometimes traveling 120-130 kmh on quiet country roads in a well maintained car is safe and this should, somehow, be taken into account. We adults are old enough to decide whats safe and whats not.

Barnesy
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Follow Up By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Monday, Jul 17, 2006 at 00:29

Monday, Jul 17, 2006 at 00:29
There has been a bit of political banter about in WA to introduce a 120kph limit on some of our country roads. Luckily there are very few police cars about, but travellers beware - a month or so ago we had a Multinova in Kununurra. It was set up just coming into town, just around a bend, just in the 60 zone. Complete with attendant in a car reading a book. most problems up here are caused by drunks falling asleep on the road, or staggering out in front with no warning.

Another good one I have heard secondhand from a reliable source, is we get a visit from the highway patrol from time to time. They were set up at a one lane bridge behind some trees at ''kingstons rest", a place where you have excellent vision of oncomeing trafic and often don't slow from your 120kph speed you tend to sit on up here. Bingo - got you in an 80 zone.

It would be nice to see the resourses put into areas where a real diference can be made, the experts can't seem to work out where they are!
Cheers Andrew
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Follow Up By: Alan H - Monday, Jul 17, 2006 at 11:12

Monday, Jul 17, 2006 at 11:12
I was taught that when overtaking you pulled out after checking it was safe to do so, overtook as quickly as possible ( no one suggested worrying about speed limits) and returned to the left hand side of the road as soon as you were well clear of the overtaken vehicle.
In WA most policing is on metro roads when the majority deaths occur in the country with no seat belts being a major cause of deaths and injuries.
The cops answer to this is more unmarked cars and the pollies buy more cameras for use in the city!
According to them it's "uneconomic" to send officers to the country areas to set up cameras as the locals know where they are and drivers use the radio to warn others.
The vast majority of speed fines are for minor infringements of a few kays over the limit.
The cops seem to completely disregard the other stupidity which goes on in front and behind them as one said to me "What happens behind me is history and I'm not interested"!!! Hows that for a bit of blatant ignorance?
The WA Police Academy is next door to where I work and there's a Nissan parked outside every day with a rocket launcher firmly fixed to his roo bar.
Trainees or serving cops regularly pull out in front of other vehicles when leaving the Academy irrespetice of the solid white line which other drivers are expected to stop at.
I don't care how much training they're supposed to have been through before being let loose on the public, their standard of driving shows little evidence of being any better than the majorotiy of drivers.
Let them set an example of how it should be done and let's see them enforcing all rules, not just minor speeding offences.
Just my thoughts on what I've observed over many years on the road.
Alan.
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Reply By: allanmac856 - Monday, Jul 17, 2006 at 23:34

Monday, Jul 17, 2006 at 23:34
Must admit, am getting sick & tired of all the whingers who go on & on about speed cameras/speed limits etc. It is about time that most realised the differnece between fact & myth.

FACT. You will die, doesnt matter whether it be 100 or 110kph, if you hit an immovable object, a large tree/concrete barrier etc.

FACT. You will never get booked by a speed camera if you are travelling no more than 6 klm above posted speed limit.

FACT. Get at least 10% tolorence in most speed zones.

FACT. TAC adds re; difference that 5kph makes in stopping distance is correct.

FACT. Speedos actually read lower than actual spped in any vehicle in standard trim.

MYTH. Will never get booked at 4kph above posted speed limit.

Yes, parts of Geelong road could be 110klm, as it is now arguably the best road in victoria. Those who bitch about getting booked at 4klm over the limit; what about all the other times you have been speeding, (we all do it), & havent been caught.

All I can say, if you dont speed, you wont get caught; simple.

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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Jul 17, 2006 at 23:53

Monday, Jul 17, 2006 at 23:53
Allan,

While I agree with you re the constant moaning about speed cameras etc, some of your other statements are confusing ( I'll say that rather than incorrect as you may be able to clarify for me)

"FACT. Speedos actually read lower than actual spped in any vehicle in standard trim"
Hmm thought it was the other way around. Speedos would normally read higher than actual speed. Definitely is in the two (yeh I know, huge survey sample hahahaha) I've measured with a GPS.

"FACT. You will never get booked by a speed camera if you are travelling no more than 6 klm above posted speed limit."
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"MYTH. Will never get booked at 4kph above posted speed limit."
Seem to contradict one another or are you saying fixed speed cameras have a higher tolerance compared to the mobile variety?

It may just be getting late and I'm tired LOLOL
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Tuesday, Jul 18, 2006 at 00:05

Tuesday, Jul 18, 2006 at 00:05
OMISSION: the "5 km/h over" ads failed to tell you that the stopping distances used one test (60 km/h) based on dry pavement ant the other (65 km/h) on wet pavement.

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Reply By: allanmac856 - Tuesday, Jul 18, 2006 at 00:42

Tuesday, Jul 18, 2006 at 00:42
Gramps, my bad, you are correct. Most speedos will read HIGHER than actual speed, so if you are doing a actual 107kph for example, speedo will tend to read 110kph.

In regard to the 4kph over, I hear ppl saying they have been booked at 2 or 3 kph over limit. this is a myth, as any infringement notice will say 4kph at the very least; ie booked at 107 -3 leaving 104 kph on the notice. This applies in all speed zones.

Sorry for the confusion; it is getting late.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 18, 2006 at 00:47

Tuesday, Jul 18, 2006 at 00:47
Thanks for clearing that up for me Allan.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Jul 18, 2006 at 08:57

Tuesday, Jul 18, 2006 at 08:57
The is no certainty a speedo will read above true speed. The ADRs check the speedo at three points; 40, 80 and 120 iirc and state that it must indicate within a tolerance at or above those speeds and it must never indicate below true speed at any point. On modern cars it is quite possible your speedo will indicate very close to true speed (on new tyres) how much, if any, above is a design decision.

Mike Harding
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Reply By: Darryn - Tuesday, Jul 18, 2006 at 08:39

Tuesday, Jul 18, 2006 at 08:39
While on speed camera's, all forumites who head east from Melbourne to Gippsland be aware at the traffic lights on the Princes Hwy out front of the Latrobe Hospital (between Morwell & Traralgon) there is a fixed speed camera on the approach from the west. Regular travellers will know the electronic sign that flashes "Too Fast, Slow Down", this is now the fixed camera. Should catch plenty as most people coming off the freeway are still over 80 k/mh approaching the lights.
Regd's Darryn
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