VIC HIGH COUNTRY - IS THERE USUALLY FIRE BANS THERE IN NOV / DEC ?

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Just planning my scenic / fishing trip and I was wondering if I would get there with food to be cooked in a fire only to find out that I should have purchased some kind of two burner stove . It's a long time since I have been camping in an area which could be fire ban affected , and I might have to rethink my strategy .

Camping without a fire would be a real bummer , but I know fire bans are often neccessary in this country .

Thanks ,

Willie .
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 15:44

Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 15:44
November and first week or so of December; probably not. Later December? Very possible. I was there last year between Christmas and NY and it was 45C! And iirc a TFB (Total Fire Ban) was in force.

_Technically_ if a TFB is in force you should not use a gas stove in the bush however some consider this an area where common sense prevails. I would suggest you _definitely_ take a gas stove with you.

It can often be difficult to discover if a TFB has been declared - ABC radio (check the ABC website for local stations - FM often works in the HC) give out the information but don't (didn't?) have any set time to do so I've bitched at them over this and they said they would "look into it". A TFB is supposed to be declared by the CFA by 6pm the day before and lasts from midnight to midnight. You also need to know which "area" you're in and that's not always easy! To be honest the whole process of informing the public of TFBs in bush areas is pretty poor.

www.cfa.vic.gov.au/

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 17:25

Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 17:25
Thanks for the info. Mike . You raised a very interesting point regarding campers receiving the info of the implementation of a ban . I guess the authorities would take this into account before prosecuting people , but they are still using fires in a period of danger - a big problem .

Maybe there needs to be UHF repeaters which give out this info or a dedicated High Country FM radio station with Fire Ban news and general info regarding roads and tourist events .

Cheers ,

Willie .
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 17:49

Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 17:49
Discovering if a TFB is in force, if you're in the bush, is a significant issue and, imo, one neither the CFA or the ABC take seriously enough.

UHF CB is all but useless in many areas of the HC due to it's "line of sight" nature,
often you'll only get 2 or 3km from it.

What I would like to see the ABC do is to set specific times when they broadcast TFB info. The start of the weather report, which always follows every news broadcast would be a good slot. Certainly a year or two ago they just seemed to broadcast it when they remembered - some news slots would carry it, others wouldn't? Sometimes it was broadcast just before or at the start of the news other times at the end?

Having said that; TFBs are often a matter of common sense - when it’s 35C+, the wind is blowing and everywhere is tinder dry it's pretty damn obvious a fire is a bad idea and believe you me Willie when you're _deep_ in some of that country you _know_ that if a bush fire comes through you won't have a hope in hell of getting out before you become toast - that tends to discourage one from lighting fires on bad days :)

Enjoy the High Country - no doubt I'll be somewhere up there during Nov/Dec if you ever decide to do an Amateur Radio licence we could arrange to meet up for a beer - hopefully around the fire :)

Mike Harding

PS. This map:
www.cfa.vic.gov.au/about/locations.htm
gives the CFA areas (although not well) the ones you will be concerned with are Gippsland and North East.
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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 23:43

Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 23:43
In February or March I had a ranger walk into camp and hand me a brochure advising that it was a total fire ban. We were in Buckland Valley State Forest near the Alpine National Park - the ranger was visiting every camp along a 20km stretch of river!

Gas stoves are a no-no on TFB days, so be prepared to eat cold beans from a tin!

An FM or UHF repeater broadcast would be great. When I was living in California, the USA-equivalent of 0.5W UHF radios (called FRS - Family Radio Service) all had pretuned weather stations in them - anywhere in the country, you could receive a 24 hour local weather broadcast. Was fantastic when you were in the mountains.
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Reply By: geocacher (djcache) - Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 18:54

Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 18:54
Hi Willie,

Where are you planning on going?

Dave
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 19:53

Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 19:53
Dave ,

I went down and purchased the Hemma Map and a book "4WD Tracks of the High Country " and have been right through them looking for tracks that run along rivers .

I will be entering across the Murray at Tom Groggin and travelling across to Taylor's Crossing , then on to the Mitta Mitta . From there across to Snowy Creek , then down to Mayford ,then to the Dargo ,then to the Wonnangatta and Humffray Rivers .

Then there is a heap more to the west and north of of that , but I don't think I will have time for any more . Does any of that sound god or bad ?

I cannot believe what a vast area it is and why I have never planned a trip there before this . I think the Vics have been keeping it a secret .

Cheers ,

Willie .
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Reply By: allanmac856 - Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 19:00

Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 19:00
As Mike said, highly unlikely that you'll have TFB's in Novemver/early December, but you never know. What you WILL have, everything being equal, is rivers at a reasonably hight level & water will be bloody freezing.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 19:29

Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 19:29
Allan ,
I thought it might be a good idea to get up there early in the season to get to the streams before they had been flogged over Christmas . Do yo think I am making a mistake ? Will the rivers still be too high to get across and to dirty to fish ?
Thanks ,
Willie .
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Reply By: allanmac856 - Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 20:52

Sunday, Jul 16, 2006 at 20:52
Willie,

IMO, is a good time of the year. I have run a few trips up there at that time & always has been great, but rivers can be a bit high. It will all depend on rainfall/snowfalls over the winter/spring period. Weather will not be too hot, but nights can still be bloody cold, not to mention the water as I said earlier.

Would love to be able to get up & meet you around the Dargo area, but no chance as is lead up to state election, so cannot get any time off.

Any questions, feel free to ask.

Cheers
Allan Mac
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Reply By: AdrianLR (VIC) - Monday, Jul 17, 2006 at 21:01

Monday, Jul 17, 2006 at 21:01
We had a fire ban on Melbourne Cup long weekend a few years back. It was announced the evening before but a front moved faster than expected and it rained - we lit a fire to keep warm and cook brekky expecting that the ban was lifted but had a Parks Vic ranger appear very quickly to tell us to put it out. We were not too far from Sheepyard Flat.

We were there again for Labour Day long weekend this year - beautiful Saturday, fireban announced from midnight so we cooked a chook in the camp oven then put it the fridge and had a salad on a hot Sunday then packed up in solid, cold rain on Monday - ahhh the High Country:)

Regards,

Adrian
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