Any ideas of increasing power & torque to my 2.8TD Patrol????

Thanks Trevor, that'd be great if you could get him to post some info. I have been really happy with old rig......keep the revs up and the turbo kicked in and it has always done the job for me even with full length racks loaded up, both tanks fulls, etc. I think she'll need that little extra bit with our new van though and dont really want to buy another truck if i can help it.

Thanks again Trevor.

Regards

Scrubber

Motsons dont do the 2.8 stuff anymore, or the stopped it a while back as a specific kit, maybe they might do it again...

For a real good value - dont waste the bux on little thigns that will gain you nothing in value for money stakes, go with an engine transplant.

C'mon Truckster,
I agree with a lot of things you say, but that one's a bit uninformed and over the top mate.
$1500 for a box that WILL increase your power by 27% and torque by 30%, ( I know, I had it, and so did Grungle, who I got it off) compared to 20 grand for an 6.5lt engine transplant that will give you no more power and torque than an upgraded well tuned nissan 4.2 TD.
I know which one I would rather have.

Avagoodn
Pezza

Its all well and cheap if its available. Tom in our club tried gettin something Motson (not sure what he was after, but powerup was what he was trying to achieve) and was told they dont do the 2.8 anymore.

as for engine conversion, I wasnt mentioning the Chev, there are many engines available that would sit in its place cheaper than that.... depending if you want petrol or diesel.

Point taken mate, might want to let Tom know to try again going by Scrubbers follow-up below, maybe he was after something else or missunderstood them. ( don't take that as being sarcastic, just being geniune)
Agree on other conversion options, I assumed you were talking about a 6.5 (teach me for making assumptions) though chev or holden V8's seem to be the easier options.
I seriously looked at the early 90's LS1 injected 350ci rebuilt set-up on dual fuel, 350-370hp (260-280kw) still looking at around 12 grand plus the gas if you don't already have it, ie. starting with a diesel. If it wasn't for intending to do a lot of remote travel I would have gone that way instead of getting a 4.2. If you start with a high km 4.5 petrol already on gas I think it's a hell of a good option, and a lot cheaper than a 6.5 diesel.
So when do we get a photo to see this new 'Truckstermobile' ?

Avagoodn
Pezza

www.gupatrol.com/test/
sneak preview

Looks different in the daytime :(

Will change them colours me thinks

cheers bill, i'll make a note of that!

Oh, and by the way Bill, how do you get a Fitch back out of the fuel tank to return it for a warranty refund?

Doh, I just posted a link to Fitch, oops there it goes again, damn!!

many possatives (sic) from one who knows a LOT.

wonder why he didnt include us , who also know, in that line
note the single identity...'one'....could it be that we are right and he didnt want it known?

HEY D-Jack,As for getting fitch out of the tank never come accross it as nobody has asked for a refund as the product works,Why would anyone ask for a refund when they are ALL saving between 1&2 litres of fuel for each each 100klms they drive for life?????????????.
As stated before there are those who know what they say, and there are those who think they know.
IF you have not tried it you have no right to bag it.
I fitted a commadore belonging to a financial advisor with a fitch,he came knocking on my door to inform me his car fuel usage had dropped from12 lph to 9lph,and there is no point in him informing me if this was not the case.
AS i am baited to answer these questions I could write hundreds of details of results being at the centre of this product.But it is the disbelievers , who want to derail themselves thru disbelief, as they are costing themselves thousands of dollars over the years,thru their disbelief,so be it.

Kindest regards BILLS

That's a straight ou lie Bill and you know it!
Or have you conveniently forgotten about Roachie ?
Strange how all the people in your fantasy world get all these fuel savings and everything else you CLAIM, yet the couple of real life blokes on this forum that actually tried it, came up with a completely different outcome, one is still a bit iffy about the thing and the other returned it and wrote it off as a piece of crap.
Your the one who keeps on about the 'truth', so how about you follow your own advice or pull your head in.

Pezza

YEAH, That would be right Pezza in your book a few people are right and thousands are wrong,makes sense from a person such as you.For those who claim it doesnt work,fit the correct unit and fix the motor.
As proven not as much treated fuel is required to attain the same performance as with untreated fuel.Now I will state this if so called experts do not know the effect offered by this product,they should not be classed as experts, end of story. Its all about EDUCATION. There are none so blind as those who do not want to see.There are some who just cannot see the wood for the trees,thats life.

You will smile when the truth is exposed.

Regards BILLS

This should be good so I just posted here to keep getting the updates HAHAHAHHAHA.

Bill,

You have obviously forgotten about the Commodore figures you were quoting recently that were way off the mark.

I got 8.58l/100km last tank in my Commode. Your Futch is not going to reduce that to 7.58!

Leroy

HI Leroy, YEP//

Regards BILLS

i vote fitch! no2 for being the biggest con yet
swmbo comes 1st ...sorry mr fitch!

HI No1,He who never goes never knows,nothing ventured nothing gained.

Happy days Mr fitch(new name)

I've stayed out of this until now, as I did not want to cast aspersions (spelling??) on BillS. However, BillS, you made the following statement in a follow-up wherein my name had been mentioned by another forumite:
Quote: "For those who claim it doesnt work,fit the correct unit and fix the motor. "

Now, BillS, I'm afraid I take exception and offence to your comment on this occasion. The quote directly involves me, as I am one who claims to have tried it and found it to have no discernable differnce (better or worse) to my fuel economy or how my truck performs. AFAIK I fitted the correct unit (you're the bloke who advised me which one I SHOULD fit, so I hope it was the correct one!!!!). The other/last comment you made was "fix the motor".................... Please explain??!!

There is nothing about my motor which needs to be "fixed". It runs a bit warm at times, but as far as it's state of tune is concerned (and I'm assuming that is what you meant about "fix your motor"), I can say with great certainty that it is as well or better tuned than the majority of 4.2L TD Patrols. Your average 4.2 owner would probably not have the injectors and pump done much before 150,000klm. I had my injectors pulled and serviced/adjusted by the crew in Southern Highlands of NSW when the rig had only 20,000klm on the clock. I then had the injectors serviced again (by Hi Tech Diesel in Adelaide) with about 88,000 on the clock. I have also had a new schwitzer turbo fitted last year (165,000 klm) by Berry Diesel Service, SA (agent for Denco Diesel) and the thing runs like a swiss watch. I have fitted EGT gauge with switchable thermocouples in both exhaust manifold and dump pipe, boost pressure gauge in inlet manifold entrance, oil pressure and oil temp gauges etc etc. As much as anybody can, I know just about everything there is to know about what is going on inside my motor.

As I said above, I take great exception to your inference that my motor needs to be fixed. Please withdraw that comment.

For the other readers, please make of this what you will.........I hope I have made my point.

Regards to all,

Roachie

>>For those who claim it doesnt work,fit the correct unit and fix the motor.

what about the few people in here that have done that, and have been bitterly disappointed? they bought from your company, are you saying they were sent the wrong crap?

Roachie,You first no disrespect meant in any way shape or form to you.What I was refering to was , and I will extract from a letter written to me by a diesel expert RELIABLE DIESEL in Syd.Quote As with your pump your daughters 1hz pump was spottlessly clean inside,something we dont see when these pumps have such high klms on them. Unless you are using some type of fuel unknown to others,I am starting to believe fitch somehow ,cleans any residue as it works over a period of time.I cannot help wondering if fitch may be doing us out of a job,seeing as yours and your daughters cars acheived such high klms before requiring pump repairs.Another point raised in previous pump job. Your pump adj screw was turned out lean very lean infact,should have been hard to start and low in power,yet you stated neither was the case.Back to me--
But I suppose these sort of statments from a diesel expert of twenty plus years is all his imagination???
Now for Truckster,Too often people judge for themselves what is required,and this scenario arrises sometimes.As I am the technical advisor for the product in Australia,and might add I have a lot to learn about it, but am pretty conversant with it allready.
An example of what this is about fix your motor,I fitted a unit to a older model rodeo for a friend after three weeks he says better start more power but no econamy gains,on checking his engine he finds the thermostat is not shutting,thus cold motor more fuel required,fixed the problem and straight away 60klms further on each tank.Now I could go on and ramble for days but here I must away because I have work to do.

REgards BILLS I will have a spell from here.

Bill S (NSW),

Your "input" is not appreciated. Go away, and stay away.

Once again you broke your promise, and answered unasked questions.

GaryIn Oz (Vic) And yours was not asked for???????

Mrfitch

Would you like to take a vote on it bill?

This was primarily a discussion about Motsons power module for the 2.8 TD. How does that in the slightest way relate to a free ad for the Fit(c)h catalyst (yet a bloody-gain)?

Bill, if you have anything constructive to add to the discussion ABOUT THE MOTSON MODULE/UPGRADES then feel free to comment. This thread was in no way adressed to YOU or the product you peddle. Stay out of it unless you have something CONSTRUCTIVE to say about the topic of the thread and discussion.

I am happy for all those who disagree with me to report me to the moderators.........

(now that's putting my money where my mouth is...)

GaryInOz,

I understand how you feel about free ad for Mrfitch but you can't exactly say it is good advertising can you, so I say "BRING ON THE BIFF", I'm lovin it LOL.

Fortunately I have seen enough of these type of discussions to avoid the product in concern and the more it is bagged the fewer people will be fleeced.

I just love the way you and Pezza get stuck in. So I will always keep my eyes open for your comments as they usually bring a tear to my eye from laughter. So there is no way I want any moderation on this discussion.

Cheers, Trevor.

Forgot to add if Roachie's comments don't hit home. Coming from someone who did try it, I don't know what will. It was pure gold IMO.

Always happy to entertain.......

"as nobody has asked for a refund as the product works,Why would anyone ask for a refund when they are ALL saving between 1&2 litres of fuel for each each 100klms they drive for life?????????????. "

Your Quote Bill S, and I will say it again, you are a LIAR, you were stupid enough to out and out lie on a forum where people have been following your antics and know damn well that you had to refund Roachies money, so that is one that we definately know of, how many more are there that you are LYING about ?

"in your book a few people are right and thousands are wrong,"
Ever heard of the saying "A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush" well in your case we have a couple of blokes right here on this forum, (in our hand) that aren't happy with your recycled coke can, and supposedly thousands out there in your fantasy world (in the bush) that are, getting the picture yet ?

In your reply to Roachie what you were "refering to" had absolutely nothing to do with his remarks about what you said in regards to his, or anybody elses, badly tuned engine, it was simply another spiel from a so called expert from your fantasy world, could you tell us that this "reliable diesel" isn't a distributor of your silly can ?
Your answer to Truckster in explaining your quote is similarily B/S.

So far you have shown yourself to be a LIAR which I might add, you have been cought out doing quite a few times by people on this forum, aswell as somebody who would give the best side stepping politician or telavangelist a bloody good run for their money when it comes to giving straight answers.

Your 'any advertising is good advertising' way of thinking is backfiring severly on you in regards to this forum, how long will it take for you to see that you are doing yourself more harm than good here, every time you or your coke can is mentioned here it is followed by streams of negative comments, and don't tell us that it will take as long as it takes all of us to realise "the truth" and "when all will be revealed" because I'm sure I can recall some whacko nutjob ( one of your ancestors maybe ?) telling us the same thing about some sort of 'second coming' or 'the end of the world is nigh'! a few hudred years ago, we're still waiting!

Why you insist on coming on this forum is beyond me, nothing positive has ever been said that I can recall ( have I missed one ? ) about you or your product.
Do your lying self and your rip off company a favour Bill S. give this forum a miss!


Pezza

he stands by his product.....even though the lies have been seen thru...dedication is all i say
all others are probably too embarrssed to go ask for their money back....or

and what usually happens, is the retailer blaming everything else as to why the product wont work as advertised ...

I cant keep wondering why this fitch! mob keeps advertising on here when they must surely know it does not work...and if by some strange factor, it only works on some vehicles and not on others, why dont they just say up front...why...cos if they sell to 1% of motorists they can retire early

Hmmmmm.... I'm still here..........

HI GaryInOz, Guess what buddy, read the post and it clearly asks on advice for gaining power and torque,No product was mentioned.????? Because our product does both I thought a new member may be interested to acheive this cheaply and efficiently,and save money at the same time.If my advice upsets you so I shall refrain from offering it.

Now to Alloyct,wheels are in motion.

REgards BILLS

He's got a point there Gary in Oz, the original question asked for 'any genuine ideas', but I'm sure Gary is man enough to admit that he got that from the reply instead of the original post. However, I bet Bill isn't man enough to admit that he was wrong by mentioning a Futch when the question asked for GENUINE ideas!

Bill, you still haven't properly ansered my question on how the hell we get the fuel tank Futch out for a warranty job when it doesn't work????And dont' tell me they all work, lets assume there is something wrong with my tuning/timing/ignition etc and it's my car's fault because there has been no increase in power or economy, doesn't work, then how still do you get the Futch out? Is it on a dangly piece of chord that hangs out of the fuel filler pipe?

Is it possible that no one has ever returned on because it was going to cost them hundreds of dollars more to have the Futch removed than to get the five hundred odd dollars back on warranty?

"a dangly piece of chord" ......do you mean cord or do you mean chord as in dr hooks version of "my dingaling"

thats how they rob you you know, they hang on to them thar dingalings (with or with out cord) and squeeze or tighten, till your eyes water...hahahaha...thats why they dont cough up with warranty

"If my advice upsets you so I shall refrain from offering it."

It upsets him!!! Really it does, it really upsets him, go on Gary tell him how much it upsets you pleeeeeaaaaase!!!!

Avagoodn
Pezza

Let it be known that I'm OFFICIALLY having a "hissy fit", and I'm not going to eat my breakfast (or words for that matter, as the immediate and following replies were about the Motsons work)

Do you have Webcam available Gary? I wanna see a pro inaction

Bill,

You purposely have a very bad memory. Seeing I'm such a nice guy here's the post id (933279) with the figures you quoted for fuel economy in 'a customers' commodore. Not very good really is it when I'm actually getting better figures than the guy who has fitted a fitch!

Leroy

Cheers Pezza....thanks for your advice. I called Motson's this morning and they still supply and fit the power up module, so Bills.....you are right in saying some blokes on here dont know what they are on about!!!! They were very helpful with their advice and explanations and it wasnt as expensive as I thought it was going to be. I'll keep in touch and let you know how i go.

Thanks again guys for all your input.

Regards
Scrubber

Good on you Scrubber, not that hard to see through the bulldust is it. Hahahaha.

Sorry about taking over your inbox for a couple of hours/days. But you did ask and we did answer eventually.