Are the paint and trim finishing options worth it?

Thankyou for all the previous help, ordered my new patrol today.
The dealer presented me with a heap of preservation options. Including things like, paint colour fixer, enviro shield, window tinting, carpet and fabric sealer, vinyl treatment, some rust reducing electronic gadget.
Bargain bulk price for the lot is about $1750. All seems rediculously expensive. Surely you can get similar products and self apply for a fraction of this.
Any comments on any of these type of treatments?
I'm not inlined towards any of it at this stage.
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Reply By: Truckster - Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 00:01

Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 00:01
Read the fine print on most of them.

requires regular retreatment, at extra cost, and if you damage the car in anyway the warranty is void on it..

Had one on my Rodeo, wouldnt bother again.

Good wash and Wax works just as good.
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Reply By: David - Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 00:13

Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 00:13
That's where the dealers make half their dough.
Total waste of time
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Follow Up By: David - Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 00:16

Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 00:16
BTW shop around and get a top quality window tint- there is a difference between cheap and GOOD
The ERPS rust prevention devices are good if you use the beach a lot- otherwise not necessary these days.
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Reply By: Suzuki Viagra - Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 02:11

Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 02:11
Agree totally - totally a waste of money. You are being ripped off blind if you waste your money on this.

My wife got paint protection on a new car - and as soon as we had an issue with it - we were told it wasn't protected because it was "acid damage" and we had to buy another type of treatment to protect it from that sort of scratching. And did we wish to spend another $2000.... (which still wouldn't fix the now pre-exisitng condition).

This was from a girl who had no idea about cars and had worked selling "paint protection" for 3 days (just out of high school). She was obviously an expert on paint damage.....

This was a car that was always hand washed so that there was no excuse about the car wash machines removing the "protection". Furthermore we followed almost all of the fine print....

One point out of the fine print which we didn't follow (showing exactly how useless this was) said something like - as soon as any dirt, mud, dust , bird droppings, sap, leaves or anything else touches your car - you must hand wash and chamois dry immediately and then place car in a heated garage under a soft cotton sheet for 24 hours........

There was some bird poo on the car for about 4-5 days before I washed it at the weekend.

We went over her head to her area manager and got the same response - you can imagine the language I used at him.....

The girl made it pretty clear she was just following his orders and those orders were effectively - no warranty is EVER to be paid out on paint protection - there is always a clause or excuse not to pay out.

I'd love to see the VACC take up the fight on this - these places are pure ripoff....

If I hadn't had the paint protection I think the paint would not have been damaged by it's exposure time.

Also Garry Rodgers Nissan made it pretty clear that if it was a warranty claim we would have got it fixed - but since we had "aftermarket paint protection" that voided the standard paint protection part of the factory warranty.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz - Tuesday, Mar 11, 2003 at 20:50

Tuesday, Mar 11, 2003 at 20:50
Definite WOFTAM!
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Reply By: Savvas - Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 07:02

Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 07:02
It's all a rip-off. All you need to do is give the vehicle some regular TLC.

I'd also get the window tinting done after delivery. I don't know about other states but in NSW all extras that are fitted by the dealer end up increasing the stamp duty that is payable as part of the onroad costs. So that's another gotcha to beware of.

Congrats on the Patrol. You'll be happy with it, I'm sure.
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Reply By: FNQer - Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 09:15

Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 09:15

I picked up my patrol 6 months ago, and they offered me the same stuff. From memory window tinting anti rusting etc. In a nutshell, we enquired at some of the local shops who done this work and luck should have it, we struck the anti rusting mob who do the work for Nissan. The rep on the phone advised us that the phone call Nissan make to them to have the work done is valued at around $600.00. Work it out for yourself.

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Reply By: Truckster - Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 11:01

Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 11:01
Another thing, certain car polishes VOID THE PAINT PROTECTION WARRANTY.......

mate was told bad luck... its your problem now.
He didnt take that to well and snotted the bloke.
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Reply By: diamond - Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 14:00

Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 14:00
every one is right its all a big scam i used to do a lot of work in new car yards and talking to people who work there yep big scam most of the money from the sale of theese protection packs goes straight to the sales person who sold it to yous pocket keep your money and shop around and get it done later and well done on your new purchase enjoy it
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Reply By: woddonnee - Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 14:35

Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 14:35
Thanks Everyone.
I thought it all sounded a bit rediculous. I laughed out loud when I read the bit about the cotton sheet in the heated garage :-)
I might look into the rust protection devices as we do spend a bit of time on boat ramps and near the sea.
When we were looking around for a new vehicle to buy we also looked at second hand ones to see how they looked after a few years. I found the patrols impressive, they all looked like new.
So, now to find a way to keep myself occuppied for 2-3 weeks until we take delivery. Can't wait.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 14:55

Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 14:55
Rod, Would strongly recommend some window tint after you take delivery. Done by a reputable outlet, it's not expensive and adds to your comfort, especially in hotter climates. We've been doing 79 series tojos for work, duty of care, sunsafe etc, and they keep cabs a lot cooler, along with air! 40 degrees can be a cool day up here in summer!

You'll be like a dog with 2 tails when you get it. Hooroo...
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Follow Up By: David - Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 20:53

Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 20:53
I know how you feel- ordered mine new in about Jan '90 expecting it a few weeks later.
It turned up in July... Don't really remember what the delay was.
(Yes I know thats a long time ago--- BUT it's still going strong!!)
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Follow Up By: David - Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 20:55

Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 20:55
The missus has had 3 new cars since then...
but I've still got the best wheels in the family!!
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 22:48

Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 22:48
I ordered a Camry in 98, and they promised all the world... Then came the excuses why it wouldnt turn up for THREE MONTHS....

told them to jam it.

Ordered a Corolla instead, they had one there, but oh you cant have that one, we will order you one.... this was quicker! 2 MONTHS.. Told them to jam it, bought a 94 model Mazda 626 hatch, V6, 5 sp, the works.. NICE CAR.. still got it, bullet proof!

So dont be shocked if they screw you around.
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Follow Up By: woddonnee - Sunday, Mar 02, 2003 at 10:08

Sunday, Mar 02, 2003 at 10:08
G'day all
from what a mate of mine told me who used to run "sun safe" type training courses, 2 main forms of UV rays contribute to skin damage etc, UVA and UVB. I can't remember which is which but one causes short term skin reddening, the other causes the more serious damage. The combination of the 2 together causes greater damage than the sum of the 2 individuals. Even clear untinted glass only allows the lesser of the 2 to pass through. The heat certainly can be reduced though. Sounds like your in a 'warm' part of the country?
2 tails, love it. LOL

David and Truckster
Fortunately the car is already at the dealership, it was received as stock about a week ago- plated feb 03. The reason for the time delay is due to some things I have to take care of first.
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Reply By: Suzuki Viagra - Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 23:54

Saturday, Mar 01, 2003 at 23:54
Great to see someone laughing at my misfortune...... I was being slightly facetious - but only slightly

Nahh - it was traded in at red book price anyway - all the extras make no difference to trade in price anyway - remember that if you do trade in cars - if you want to buy all this crap it has no trade in value - a sure sign it's a complete con -.......... We wouldnt have got any more money (or less even if we ran a key down the car on purpose).

Rather than pay $300-500 on sound deadening - take it home, park in the garage and take to it with brush on sound deadener - should cost about $20 not $500. Brush on ones are better than spray on ones.....

Tint-a-car or Premier do a better and cheaper tinting job anyway and a decent wax job every 12 months will provide more protection than their "Paint Protection". I honestly believe that they do nothing for paint protection and use a couple of tins of spray on sound deadener based on what I've seen from those who have paid for it.

PS the best way to prevent rust is soimething called a sacraficial anode.

Those who have used a alloy head on an Iron block know all about them LOL!

Nahh - seriously a nice big chunk of Zinc bolted to a low point of the frame works wonders - this is what they use on oil rigs.

The aftermarket electronic "anti-rust" items might give the factory and excuse if your Electronic Fuel Injection stuffs up........

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Follow Up By: woddonnee - Sunday, Mar 02, 2003 at 09:57

Sunday, Mar 02, 2003 at 09:57
G'day SV
I certainly wasn't laughing at your misfortune, only the rediculous fine print in the warranty. If your facetious nature added to the tone of your recollections, I was also laughing at the humour of it.
Thanks for the info on sound deadening, that wasn't offerred in the package and I feel that noise isn't a problem in the patrol.
Will leave the window tint for now will keep it in mind for the future, the windows do have a slight tint standard.
I know of sacraficial anodes they also use them on boats, ships, outboard motors. I'll look into that (anodes), the electronic device is about $500 (from the dealer).
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Follow Up By: Suzuki Viagra - Sunday, Mar 02, 2003 at 17:51

Sunday, Mar 02, 2003 at 17:51
If you're using Higway Terrain Tyres (which are standard on all new 4wd's to meet drive by noise regulations) then you won't need sound deadener in the wheel arches.

You'll get away without sound deadening on All Terrain Tyres - but Mud Terrain Tyres or better and you'll need sound deadening in the wheel arches for any highway or long distance work. The big chunky treadblocks at the side of the tyre which are essential for mud cause a lot of noise.

Even 2000k's in two days with the Vitara using the All Terrains was pretty loud on the ears.

The standard Highway Terrain tyres are crap off road (except in gravel) so most of us bin them as soon as possible.
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