Poo heap Land Crusher problem
Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 21:40
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On Patrol
That was to see if your paying attention fellas.
I have a very minor prob with my Patrol 3.0ltr in that, under severe load the turbo stops turbo-ing, when i back off for a second and re apply the juice it works again.
This would suggest that i may have a vacumm issue, but where?
Any of you guys got any experience of this and suggest as to
where to start looking (NO SUGGESTIONS TO BUY A TOYMOTOR Please, I could never stoop that low, LOL).
It first became evedent after fitting an Airtech
snorkel to the car.
Go for it guys.
On Patrol.
Reply By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 21:59
Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 21:59
may be a dumb question off a TOYMOTOR owner
But how does it stop turbo-ing?
I only work in the fluid power industry
Regards
Richard
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Follow Up By: On Patrol - Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 22:06
Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 22:06
Hi Richard,
The turbo cuts out for a few seconds. The turbo on most cars is controlled by manifold vacumm.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 23:26
Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 23:26
On Patrol
I would have thought the turbo is a compressor so it will be a positive pressure at the manifold inlet, the only vacuum will be at the turbo inlet i.e. air filter.
I would (maybe) agree with waste
gate setting, maybe opening at a lower pressure than it should be.
Or it sound like turbo lag? maybe computer is not keeping fuel up to the engine?
Just a thought
Richard
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Follow Up By: ro-dah-o (WA) - Thursday, Jul 20, 2006 at 00:52
Thursday, Jul 20, 2006 at 00:52
agreed, I was led to beleive that a turbo diesel does not produce vaccum, hence the need for those expensive alternators that have the vacuum attachment to control the brake booster.
damn those expensive alternators, damn them...
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Follow Up By: AJB - Thursday, Jul 20, 2006 at 19:51
Thursday, Jul 20, 2006 at 19:51
Mine did/does the same. Towing and under load (uphill/headwind etc) not always severe load power is lost and foot off the accelerator and then back on and power is restored but momentum lost which is frustrating. Once on the Bellbird
hill in East Gippsland it did it 5 times until I got to the top. That was about 120,000 kms ago but then it went to the dealer and they said "Nothing wrong with it". I took it back again with the van on the back and they still said nothing wrong with it and I will admit that the bloody thing would not do it. Eventually they changed the computer and I thought it had fixed it but it hasn't. Lately the engine required rebuilding and it is still there. I have learn't to live with it and find that if it is not on full throttle the event does not occur. I wonder if it is a sensor that says " You're pushing me too hard so I'm reducing the available power to you for a while" as thats what it feels like.
There have been a few others with this problem. In a 4x4 mag a couple of years ago one of the featured vehicles had the same thing. Buggerd if I know anyway. My vehicle has had almost everything replaced or repaired and it still does it.
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Reply By: Notso - Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 22:05
Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 22:05
I had something similar, it turned out to be a computer problem. Lost all power, back off and it would come good.
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Follow Up By: On Patrol - Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 22:08
Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 22:08
Notso
Was that in a patrol, and was that just under extreme power only? as
mine is.
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Follow Up By: Notso - Thursday, Jul 20, 2006 at 08:39
Thursday, Jul 20, 2006 at 08:39
Yep, Patrol GU11 2000 build.
Happened when under acceleration going uphill usually, not necessarily extreme, but reasonable pedal pressure.
The dealer had to run some tests and send off graphs and charts to Nissan. They sent up a new computer overnight more or less as it was quite dangerous if I was in traffic.
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Reply By: cipher - Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 22:38
Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 22:38
Not too sure on the design of the stock turbos, but had a mate with a commodore which was turbo'd had a similar problem...
turned out to be the excess air coming out from the turbo or something, he had to plum it into the exhaust manifold.. Dont know if you can make sense of that, but thought it may help..?>!??! :-S
Justin
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Reply By: Sarg - Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 22:46
Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 22:46
Wastegate problem perhaps?
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Reply By: Muzzgit (WA) - Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 23:37
Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 23:37
Being a variable vane methinks the computer is retarding the turbo for some reason
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Reply By: Member - Ed. C.- Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 23:39
Wednesday, Jul 19, 2006 at 23:39
I'll have a stab at this, & put my money on the MAF sensor..............
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Follow Up By: On Patrol - Saturday, Jul 22, 2006 at 11:44
Saturday, Jul 22, 2006 at 11:44
Ed you were right.
Well done. There was no problem with the MAF sensor in fact it was sencing a faulty air filter. They put a new filter on the car when fitting the
snorkel, but it was a cheepy filter, and when we replaced it with a good brand one, problem solved. Runs like a dream now.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Saturday, Jul 22, 2006 at 12:17
Saturday, Jul 22, 2006 at 12:17
Now that you mention it......
I was going to ask "how's your air filter?", but since you'd mentioned that you'd had a
snorkel fitted, I assumed that the filter would have been checked/cleaned/replaced (whatever??)...
So what is the "good brand one" that ya replaced it with?? (and what brand was the "cheepy"??)....
Glad ya got it sorted:-))
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Follow Up By: On Patrol - Saturday, Jul 22, 2006 at 12:41
Saturday, Jul 22, 2006 at 12:41
Hi Ed
The good one is a "Wesfil" a filter made in NZ, they make filters for the Heavy Duty market mostly.
God only knows the cheepy one's brand name, I said Chinese but that was just a derogatory remark for a filter that some auto
shop buys for $2.50 a dozen and sells for $50.00 each.
The panel beater that fitted my Genuine Nissan
snorkel for me just got one from his local auto spares and put it in for me, thinking he was doing me a favour. He will now only use reputable filters, was his reply to my issue.
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Reply By: On Patrol - Thursday, Jul 20, 2006 at 06:26
Thursday, Jul 20, 2006 at 06:26
Thanks for your input guys,
I will look at the problem at the weekend wit the KISS principal in mind.
My money is still on a simple solution such as air flow due to the new
snorkel, maybe a new air filter MAY solve the problem????
I will post the result later.
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Reply By: donks1 - Thursday, Jul 20, 2006 at 08:42
Thursday, Jul 20, 2006 at 08:42
maf sensor is reasonably common, especially with
snorkel fitted. if you know someone with same model swap it over and see what happens. depending on kms you may even get warranty on this
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Follow Up By: On Patrol - Saturday, Jul 22, 2006 at 11:45
Saturday, Jul 22, 2006 at 11:45
Hi Donks
You and Ed you were right.
Well done. There was no problem with the MAF sensor in fact it was sencing a faulty air filter. They put a new filter on the car when fitting the
snorkel, but it was a cheepy filter, and when we replaced it with a good brand one, problem solved. Runs like a dream now.
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Reply By: 3.0turbob - Thursday, Jul 20, 2006 at 09:37
Thursday, Jul 20, 2006 at 09:37
For what it's worth, go to your local Nissan Service Centre and ask to have the computer codes checked. It may show up if there is a problem.
I had my patrol checked at the beginning of the year, just for peace of mind (if there is such a thing with these). There was no charge and took less than 10 minutes. All O.K. so far.
Rob
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Follow Up By: 120scruiser (NSW) - Thursday, Jul 20, 2006 at 16:41
Thursday, Jul 20, 2006 at 16:41
Agree with 3.0turbob
Get the fault codes read.
You don't have to go to Nissan, try local mechs and auto sparkies.
I have the codes and I am only a general automotive repairer. They are becomming readily available for the average bloke lately. The book I got
mine in cost me 300 dollars so it is only fair to say larger types of repairers are likely to have them and auto sparkies should all have them.
Hope this helps.
If you need more help email me at l o n a r d s a t b i g p o n d d o t n e t d o t a u and I can ring you. I will be back in the workshop tomorrow, Friday after lunch.
Hope this helps
120scruiser
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