To Watercool or not to Watercool

Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 12:59
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I have a 1999 5L Hilux that I am going to fit a second hand Safari Turbo and intercooler too. I have to replace the Turbo as it is past rebuilding and needs total replacement. My question is do I need to replace it with a watercooled one or would I get away with non water cooled? I have had 2 different answers and was wondering what people thought on here.
One person said that it would run a lot coolerwith a water cooled and therefore require less cool down time another said if I water cool it will place more strain on the cooling system because I am running an intercooler that goes straight across the radiator. Whats the general concensise?
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Reply By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 13:19

Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 13:19
if you have a larger radiator fitted i cant see a problem...the radiator may be big enough to handle the intercooler in front of it as it is...but if in doubt get one with more cores
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Reply By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 14:31

Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 14:31
Hi there barnsy, I have just been through all this the last few weeks and 9 out of ten said you dont need to water cool the diesel as the exhuast gas temps are a lot cooler than a petrol motor. Ring turbo glide in woolongong or check out there web site www.turboglide.com.au they have the specs on there home page for the 2.8/3.0 motor. Give them a ring and ask for John very nice man and has been fitting turbo's for the last 30 years, I havnt done myn as I was changing vehicles but have had to put things on hold but I was booked in there to get it done.Have a look at his warranty 2 years unlimited with out water cooled 12 months if you want it water cooled. If you ring other places and ask them they will tell you to fit a fuel compensator and all the other crap to go with it and you will end up with a bill of 5k. My mate has his 5l done and goes brillantly at 8 pound boost running a garret turbo. Its all up to you there is heaps on this subject as I found out when I was also asking the questions. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: barnsy - Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 17:06

Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 17:06
Thanks for that
I have been basically been told the same thing, that they run cooler than a petrol.
and a non water cooled one is one less thing to go wrong. I know someone who recently cooked his engine due to a faulty water pipe on the Turbo.
I,m due to head North around Alice in 5 weeks so are waiting till we return before fitting the kit up as would rather have any teething problems when we are close to home.
I have been quoted approx $1200 for a Swaitzer non water cooled, hows that sound?

Cheers

Thanks guys
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 20:56

Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 20:56
Hi there barnsy, thats sounds cheap to me, if you look up Swaiter in the search I'm sure there will be some thing on here in regards to those turbo's, is that new second hand ?? Im not up there with the prices of just turbo's alone, as said I was quoted $3270 supply, fit ,dyno before and after and including a new 2 1/2 inch exhaust to go. Yeah probably a good idea as you said to get it done once your back last thing you want/need is any teething problems so far from home. Good luck with the trip, safe travelling. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: barnsy - Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 21:06

Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 21:06
That price is just for the Turbo, not fitted or any other parts. The Water cooled one was an extra $200.
cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 21:19

Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 21:19
Sound ok to me, Id be happy with that, got me thinking now they must make a bit on labour for it to be fitted to mine if thats what a new turbo is worth. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: barnsy - Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 21:38

Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 21:38
Steve, you still need all the other parts that go with it
Exhaust manifold, drop pipe and hoses etc, I have these from the secondhand kit that i have. I picked mine up rather cheap with the intercooler so it makes the running around and having to buy a new Turbo worthwhile as to buy the kit that i have with the intercooler new is $3500 plus fitting and exhaust, It will end up costing me about half of a new kit. But I still have the headache of fitting it and then getting it the boost checked and set correctly by a professional so I don,t blow her sky high. I am also fitting a complete new 2.5 inch exhaust system at a cost of approx $500.
cheers

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 21:43

Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 21:43
Yeah true there Barnsy didnt think of all the bits and pieces that go with it, makes sense with what you have said. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 14:53

Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 14:53
I replaced the standard, small water-cooled turbo on my GU last year with a Denco kit. This is a Schwitzer turbo and is not water cooled.

I don't think it will make any difference what type of turbo you fit, so long as is fitted as the manufacturer intended....IE: if it's a turbo designed to have water passing through it's bowells, then it MUST be water cooled. I secretly hoped that with the new one being non-water-cooled, that the over-warming issues I'd been having with the Patrol (whereby water temps get up to around 118oC at the extreme worst case scenario), might subside. This didn't happen, so it blew my theory that the turbo may have been contributing to the temp of the water/coolant.

Get Denco or Turboglide involved and you'll get the right deal.

Cheers

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 22:09

Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 22:09
>>that the over-warming issues I'd been having with the Patrol (whereby water temps get up to around 118oC at the extreme worst case scenario), might subside

Did you ever take it to that dude that offered to look at it free of charge few years back now from some diesel place in SA?
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 15:37

Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 15:37
My pajero runs a non water cooled turbo.
Watching the EGT, it generally gets down to 150 deg within 60 secs at shutdown, after taking it easy/steady for the last kilometre home.
Maybe a non water cooled one and a turbo timer would be OK?
Still the original turbo after 270,000k and this model is well known for short turbo life. (Hopefully I haven't put the death knock on it now :-)).
The turbo bearings have a good oil supply, and the oil is cooled, and I use good oil.
Maybe water cooling is just something else to go wrong?
Depends how you drive I suppose, how hard you will be pushing it?
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Follow Up By: barnsy - Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 17:09

Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 17:09
It doesn,t generally get pushed hard, although it may happen occasionally. Hopefully with the Turbo it will not have to work as hard as it does now. It only has 113K's on the clock so she's should still have plenty of life left in her yet
Thanks
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Reply By: luch - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 18:30

Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 18:30
Barnsy
My opinion is water cool it, i have a turbo glide unit on my 80 series when i installed it, the unit was not water cooled 6 mths after installing it i fitted water to it and it made a difference to the temp of the motor

Water cooled units last longer because when the motor is shut down the oil in the turbo gets hot and over time causes varnishing inside

it will increase the life of the turbo its a known fact that anything which runs cooler will last longer

Keep in mind MOST of todays turbo diesels Factory fitted are water cooled
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