In line fuse on earth wires.....
Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 12:52
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Member - John L G
I must be, no change that to a certainty, getting old because whilst out walking the dog in - 2 Celcius this am, I was racking my brains trying to recall info supplied on a thread posted here recently.
It was reccomended that a certain device/accessory should have an inline fuse on the negative earth wire returning to the battery and it made sense to me at the time but darned if I can remember the detail.
Any
bright sparks out there????????
Cheers
Reply By: hl - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 13:02
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 13:02
Hi,
Generally, HF radios should have a fused negative as
well as positive.
What can happen is, if the main battery earth is not good, part of the starting current can flow through your radio and the antenna ground connection. This can burn out tracks on the circuit board on some radios.
This is really only an issue if the radio negative is connected directly to the negative on the starter battery, If your radio runs of the aux this is not a problem.
You can also simply connect the negative for the radio to another ground rather than direct to the battery, as long as it is a good ground, there should not be a problem.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - John L G - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 13:07
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 13:07
hl
Thanks for that, it's all I probably need to know and makes sense.
2 minute job with the iron.
Regards
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 14:40
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 14:40
Hi hl please indulge me on this one. If the batt main earth is crook you are suggesting that the starting current will flow from the positive of the battery, somehow thru the body of the vehicle to the antenna earth and then back thru the radio set to the radio earth thereby cooking some components is that correct?
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Follow Up By: hl - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 16:00
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 16:00
Yep, see posts below... It will either melt the antenna wire if the radio itself is not bolted to the chassis or
cook something inside the radio as
well.
Chances of it happening are not that great and in any case, I think it is actually a dopey idea to run the negative straight to the battery neg. A point on the chassis somewhere near the accessry earth is much better. I think the idea originated to reduce noise from the car electrics to get into the radio..
Cheers
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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 16:00
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 16:00
Bonz
If the earth lead to your battery develops a significant resistance or completely fractures you will not have an effective earth connection to any of the electrical items in the vehicle installed by the manufacturer. All the other electrical items in the vehicle are connected directly to the body or chassis – not the earth cable from the the battery. If you install anything and wire its negative side back to the battery negative you may provide an alternative path to the defective battery earth lead.
A CB radio would be one of these devices. The CB radio probably won't be grounded where it is mounted, but the braid of the co-axial cable will be grounded at the antenna if the antenna is properly installed (there will be a few exceptions with special antennas.) When you first switch the ignition on, the co-axial cable and radio earth wire will cope in most cases. However when you attempt to start the motor your radio installation will be attempting to act like an earth return carrying the 3-600A of the starter motor current – this will create an instant brown smell. The radio will possibly be the only device as other things may be completely floating and thus not be effected.
PeterD
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Reply By: Frank_Troopy - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 13:04
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 13:04
I think the argument was that if the appliance was also earthed to the body, then in the event of a break or disconnection of the main earth cable, the appliance's earth could be used by other devices that were depending on the chassis earth.
It was the first time I'd heard it and, like you, it made sense to me.
Cheers Frank.
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Reply By: Footloose - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 15:15
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 15:15
AFAIK
In the event of the cranking batteries earth falling off, when starting, the battery will look for a decent earth. If this is provided through a device eg radio then the device will attempt to pass the full cranking amperage through the device.
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Reply By: Bilbo - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 15:37
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 15:37
Yep - seen it happen. In fact, I made it happen! Years ago I refitted the engine into a Mini Cooper after an overhaul and forgot to fasten that "annoying, can't see it, can't get at it" earth strap under the cluctch housing.
Hit the starter button and the choke cable just melted before my very eyes!! Went from steel to white hot meltdown in about one second!
The huge starter current didn't have an earth so it found an earth back to the engine by using the choke cable!!
Whooppssss,
Bilbo
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