Wind Generators
Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 14:33
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derraux
Hi all
Have just been reading a post in regards to solar setups for charging deep cycles this got me thinking has anybody toyed with the idea of wind generation for the same purpose.
My thoughts would be a generator small enough to cary inside a vehicle with possibly removable blades, setup would include an adjustable type pole for attaching to the bullbar or bumper of a vehicle with a couple of guy ropes for stability.
Some of the negative things maybe the weight and size of generators, and the logistics of such setup, and noise involved from blades.
Have done some googling and have not really been able to work out how wind generators are rated and what sort of power you get from them and how this relates to such a setup.
Some positives is the wind blows regardless of the time of day unlike solar and from my experience it is allways windy when i go
camping.(I think i
camp in the wrong
places)
I thought this was an interesting subject and would like to hear what other people think and maybe somebody who has experience with wind generation.
Regards
Derraux
Reply By: Notso - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 14:42
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 14:42
Check out the solar energy supliers to cattle stations and farms, a lot of them supply wind generator powered
bore pumps for remote cattle troughs etc.
Don't know how heavy they are but they work in conjunction with solar panels as
well. I would reckon about 300watts as that's about what some of the shallow bores use for the pumps.
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Reply By: madcow - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 14:53
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 14:53
You could also try Whitworths or any reputable boating supplier. Quite often they are seen on boats for generating power.
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Reply By: madmax - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 15:20
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 15:20
Hi Derraux,
The problem with wind turbines (in particular the smaller ones) is that you need a relatively high wind speed and a constant direction. Vertical axis wind turbines work in areas where the wind direction is not constant, but are usually quite bulky.
The other issue is that you really need to raise the turbine above the tree line.
Thank being said, we can quite happily sell you one :)
You can view them here:
Wind turbines
You'll also find datasheets, which show output based on wind speed. The AIR X range is probably what you're after.
Have you considered solar?
Regards,
Max
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Energy Matters
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Follow Up By: derraux - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 15:30
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 15:30
Max
Thanks very much for your info and the link will have a good read, Yes have looked at solar was just trying to think outside the square and think of other ways to do the same thing i guess people have been using solar for a long time in 4x4 circles because it works and it works
well, again was just exlporing other options.
Cheers derraux
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Follow Up By: Member - Omaroo (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 15:50
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 15:50
I'm glad I read your post Max. We will need some of these things shortly on our place in
Cooma. We were looking at micro-hydro, but on reflection we have pretty constant wind over the property - and gear won't be ripped away during any flood or
Murrumbidgee River flush from
Tantangara reservoir.
Let me congratulate you on your website. Nice executed.
Cheers
Chris
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Follow Up By: madmax - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 16:54
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 16:54
Hi Guys,
Glad you like the site. We've spent a great deal of time developing it.
You may want to have a muck around with some of our calculators, this will give you a good idea about what equipment you'll need to power your devices. People never seem to be able to see it until it is pointed out to them. (even though links are plastered all over the site)
Solar, battery & cable sizing
Regards,
Max
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Follow Up By: looking_4_BJ42 - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 17:18
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 17:18
Hi all,
Yea well done on the site, and thanks for the prompt delivery and great service. Highly recommended. At least you know what brand you are getting not some Chinese ebay trash!!
Lifted 1994 80series 5sp Manual
Mint 1984 BJ42 5sp, 3.4 Diesel.
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Follow Up By: madmax - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 18:15
Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 18:15
Thanks Looking_4,
We aim to please, and we try not to stock anything that hasn't been proven.
Max
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Reply By: russ36 - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 15:42
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 15:42
a yachty told me the noise makes them unpopular to some, but i can see how that the windy environment of the ocean is the perfect spot to get the most out of them...
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Reply By: joc45 - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 18:25
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 18:25
Hi Derraux,
Yes, I saw Oatley Electronics advertising these, plus another seller (can't recall, might have been Jaycar) for quite a reasonable cost.
I also saw a marine-type wind genny mounted to a guy's bullbar. Given his location on the coast near
Hopetoun WA, he would have had a good supply of wind.
My only concern was the possibility of a child climbing onto the bullbar and getting hit by the spinning blades, as there was no protection. On yachts, the wind genny is usually hanging out the stern of the craft, out of harm's way.
Gerry
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Reply By: Ianw - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 18:36
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 18:36
These wind generators produce far too much power for the average camper/4WDer. We don't need 300/400/500 watts. Would prefer something with maybe 80/100 watts and reasonable size for dismantling/setting up etc. Less cost, room, noise etc. Then we could compare them with available solar systems of similar power
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 22:12
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 22:12
You could always buy one of the cheap 2m dia gennies and cut the blades down, giving you a smaller size and less output.
Win-win situation!
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Reply By: derraux - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 23:35
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 23:35
Thanks to everyone that replied got some good info. people on this site are excellent
Cheers Derraux
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Reply By: mickjp - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 03:12
Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 03:12
I have thought about wind generators aswell for my fridge. There is a mob in
NIMBIN, northern NSW called Sunshine Power Company. If anyone knows anything about alternative power sources they do.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 07:51
Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 07:51
if only they could come up with a generator that ran on smoke!
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 17:01
Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 17:01
There just isn't enough energy in the wind unless windspeed goes above about 15km/hr.
Unless you are on the coast or a mountaintop, you generally don't get adequate windspeed CONSISTENTLY.
Mike
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Follow Up By: Ianw - Friday, Jul 28, 2006 at 18:27
Friday, Jul 28, 2006 at 18:27
Thats why solar and wind power go together so
well. Solar for inland and wind for coastal areas
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Follow Up By: mickm52 - Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 20:12
Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 20:12
For years I have thought the same. The catch with solar is with those very
grey, very windy days the output from a solar panel is close to nil. I tried savonius rotors on computer drive motors, plotter motors, bicycle hub generators(all sorts of motors) without success. Generated 10 v regularly but gave up on something small for
camping, but continued for learning sake and built a Hugh Piggot design PMG which generates 300W but needs a crane to lift it. The Air X models are great for boats out to sea and hermits but anyone within coo-ee will be driven to distraction by the rotor noise. I found by accident a unit called the Rutland 503 which is designed to trickle charge. It is very small, 300mm diameter blade enclosed by a ring and is exceptionally quiet, nearly silent. It is packed away in my trailer and only comes out in emergency. It produces 1A at 15 knots, 2@20, 3@25 and 4@30, not much in comparison to an Air X, but nearly equivalent to a good 80W solar panel and it runs all night. I mount it on an aluminium pole which is fixed on my boat rack and doubles as a
TV antenna.
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Follow Up By: mickm52 - Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 20:17
Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 20:17
Sorry should read my own post the blades are 510 mm in diameter not 300 as stated in my original post. I was thinking radius.
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Follow Up By: Ianw - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 18:44
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 18:44
Yep, that's more like it. You could try 24/28 volt dc motors to generate 12 volts easily.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 21:20
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 21:20
Oatley Electronics sell new 280 watt 24 volt motors for $36.
www.oatleyelectronics.com/motors.html
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