clutch kits
Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 14:50
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jasmine
Hi i am about to fit a new clutch kit to my 80 series and was wondering if any one could give me any info on which kit would be best to fit. Pbr or daikin heavy duty or daikin safari?? Have heard good and bad things about both pbr and daikin heavy duty kits but not much about the safari. Anything you could tell me would be much appreciated. Also after we pulled out the box the spigot bearing fell to the floor. The bearings not seized and doesnt seem to be fitted incorrectly. We think it might have been just from pushing hard to move the box back. Has anyone had that happen before?? There was a noise coming from the bell housing area which is why we pulled the box out to check the clutch in the first place.
Reply By: donks1 - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 16:37
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 16:37
you will probably be better off using genuine clutch kit... even though daikin are (oe) for toyota, the material used for aftermarket sales is not the same quality and have a tendancy to shudder.... as for pbr, if you buy one it will be daikin in the box.
safari kits are generally pretty good but does give you a heavier pedal..
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Follow Up By: Gerry - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 17:31
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 17:31
Sorry to disagree, but from my own experience with the 100 series where clutch shudder is common, the Daikin unit eliminates the problem whereas a genuine unit usually results in the shudder returning. There was a thread a while ago on this and as I recall, a few others had the same experience.
Cheers
Gerry
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Reply By: hz75 - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 16:50
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 16:50
jasmine//that noise u heard from the bell housing..
did it sound like a rattle at certin revs??2000 rpm??
i think i have the same prob spigot..or so i have been told,,
does anyone know what that bearing does?/
what would happen if u just let it rattle for to long????????
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Follow Up By: ROBST - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 17:09
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 17:09
The spigot brg sits in the end of the crank shaft and supports the main gear box input shaft which the clutch sits on.If is worn out it could cause clutch shudder.
But they generaly last a long time as the brg is only realy in operation in neuteral and through the gears and then in 4/5th gear it is static as it is turning with the crank shaft and gear box input shaft at the same speed.
Clear as mud.
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Follow Up By: warrioroz - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 17:21
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 17:21
The spigot bearing is only there to support the gearbox input shaft and only spins when the clutch is disengaged, you will not get a rattle from this bearing, The rattle could be the throw-out bearing, does it make the noise whith the clutch peddle out or depressed? also if the damper springs in the clutch plate are worn/broken/missing will cause a rattle. Also worn gearbox bearing will cause this noise but will stop once the clutch is depressed.
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Reply By: ROBST - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 16:50
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 16:50
Hi jasmine you can't realy go wrong with a genuine toyota clutch,if you can get one at the wright price.they last a long time if treated
well!
I did
mine 12 months ago.I got my local mechanic to get it for me.
$480 for a toyota clutch kit for a 95 petrol 80 series.
$70 rear eng seal
$48 spigot brg.
Can't coment on your spigot brg but make sure the new one is a good press fit.
And change the rear eng seal.
It also makes the job a lot easier and lighter if you separate the transfer case from the gear box.
Ring around i found some toyota and after market dealers up to $200 more.
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Reply By: hz75 - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 17:14
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 17:14
robust what would happen if u just ..left it,,,magor damage to anything?????????
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Follow Up By: ROBST - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 17:31
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 17:31
Hi not to sure what would happen but if it is original and the cluch has a lot of
miles
on it would change the lot.
But make sure you get a good diagnosis as it could be the clutch throwout brg makeing the noise as
mine was.not the spigot brg.
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Reply By: CHRIS UREN - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 17:20
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 17:20
Hi Jasmine
I have FZJ80 and HZJ80 clutch kits in stock and am selling them for $320 + gst.
If you are interested, give me a call on (03)85442222
Cheers
Chris at Lane Toyota
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Reply By: jasmine - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 20:52
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 20:52
hi... on closer inspection we noticed the rubber dampers on the clutch plate are split in half and one rivet that locates the damper spring has fallen out plus
the springs are badly worn which was more than likely the noise but still have never seen a spigot bearing fall out when removing the gearbox. We are thinking that maybe it was because we took the box out on the floor with a jack so it probably came out on an angle, still find it a bit strange though. Still have no idea on which clutch kit to fit. Any one else out there got an opinion?? I have looked for the thread on gen. and non gen. kits but cant find it. Thanks for all the replys so far.
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Follow Up By: 120scruiser (NSW) - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 21:15
Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 21:15
Very common problem with the diesel landcruiser clutches.
I only fit genuine toyota clutches in my workshop. Have fitted Daiken and they only last about 12 months before I ripped them out and fitted genuine.
Last time I was researching, about 2 months ago, PBR are redesigning theirs as they can't guarantee you won't get the rattle.
Go Toyota and definitely machine the flywheel and replace the spigot.
The spigot probably fell out when you started to remove the box and it was at an angle it can grab the spigot and pull it out.
Hope this helps
120scruiser
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Reply By: Sarg - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 20:52
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 20:52
Don't forget to get the flywheel skimmed as
well. Not much use putting in a new clutch with out having this done. Oh , & thats before you put the Daiken in.
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Follow Up By: jasmine - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 22:09
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 22:09
yeah there is a couple of bad hot spots on it. so your sayin that daiken is better????
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Follow Up By: Sarg - Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 22:27
Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006 at 22:27
Only going by personal experience and the good reports back from a couple of mates that I have put Daikens in for them.
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