Simple power workaround....

Submitted: Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 12:06
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Hi,

Just need some confirmation, if I drive my car during the day and return to camp with two fully charged batteries - Cranking and Auxiliary, could I then use "jumper leads" to connect the trailer battery to the car and allow the Auxiliary and the trailer battery to equalise? - topping up the trailer battery!

We will be running lights around camp from the trailer and occasionally a TV/Radio/Video games - all lower power 12v units.

I know there are better ways to do this using an anderson plug but we leave in 5 weeks and I am running out of time......:(

Thanks in advance
Rod
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Reply By: brian - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 12:19

Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 12:19
Yes that will work,how about rotating the batteries while travelling to put charge in the camper battery,once charged it should power lights and gamesfor several days at least,you really dont have a problem.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 16:41

Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 16:41
A fully charged battery puts out 12.7 volts, though less while it is discharging.

Have you ever heard of a battery charger that puts out 12.7 volt ????

If the wetcell Trailer battery is fully discharged and you connect a fully charged AGM battery to it you will get a bit of cross transfer - maybe 20%. This is based on ACTUAL TESTS, not theory or reading about it somewhere.

But your Trailer battery will not live long if you discharge it to 0% remaining regularly.

Mike
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Follow Up By: Rokkitt - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 20:58

Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 20:58
Trying to be lazy...:)
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Reply By: geocacher (djcache) - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 12:25

Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 12:25
The short answer Rod, is no.

To charge a lead acid battery requires a voltage significantly higher than the resting voltage of a charged lead acid across it's terminals. Secondly, your batteries in the vehicle are going to be charged but "fully charged" is unlikely.

The current flow would be minimal and the charging effect negligable.

Hooking the jumper leads up to the battery in the trailer and leaving the engine running while in camp with the hand throttle knocked up a bit is about your only option without going to the trouble of generators or solar.

The other option would be to run an inverter off your aux and a decent battery charger (read quality not quantity (ie. smart not powerfull) to charge the camper.

Which ever of the two methods above you are running down the auxilliary in the vehicle and reducing the time you can run your fridge & lights etc off it.
What size battery is in your camper trailer?
What is the current draw of the devices according to their specs, and how many hours per day are you planning on using them?

Dave
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Follow Up By: brian - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 12:57

Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 12:57
The question is about running LOW POWER items flouro lights etc not fully charging a battery ,therefore connecting jumper leads to even a dead flat battery will light flouros in the camper.The short answer to the question is YES.
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 13:12

Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 13:12
Assuming you want to run the flouro for 4-5 hours a night. The other devices for maybe 2 hours. That's still about 10Ah or so, allowing 1A draw for the flouro and a couple of other 1A draw items.

Equalisation is not well understood by those who speak often of it.

From my reading of the question he is asking about charge transfer, not about leaving the jumper leads on the whole time he's running the devices. simultaneously.

If he's leaving the jumper leads on then all he'll end up doing is running the devices off the batteries in the truck. The jumper leads will just perform an "extension lead" function.

If he's talking about coming back & hooking up the jumper leads for several hours before running the devices off a near flat battery at night without the jumperleads connected then what he'll end up with is a battery that is continually drawn down to dangerously low levels in the camper, reducing the life of the battery.

Dave
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 16:44

Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 16:44
Rokkitt's actual question was "could I then use "jumper leads" to connect the trailer battery to the car and allow the Auxiliary and the trailer battery to equalise? - topping up the trailer battery! "

Mike
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Reply By: madmax - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 13:05

Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 13:05
Hi Rokkitt,

Have you considered a solar panel to charge your battery? A 10W panel and regulator will cost you about $150 and will trickle charge your battery.

If you know how much power your appliances/lights use you could use this solar calculator and battery sizer to determine what kind of solar system would suit your needs:

DC solar calculator

DC wire sizing

Regards,

Max

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Reply By: Rokkitt - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 19:40

Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 19:40
Hi,

Thanks for the responses, I was not sure if there would be a current/voltage transfer....say I have run the trailer lights for the evening, 4 or 5 hours - could I then go out driving the next day and return...hook up the leads and go have a beer and let the trailer recharge by means of a voltage transfer - not running with the jumpers still connected.

For instance would a 12.7v battery charge a 12.3, not a fully discharged battery. I was thinking they both may equalise to 12.5v relatively quickly.

Will go down the solar path in the future but I really want that front diff lock first - its far more important....:)
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew W (SA) - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 20:04

Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 20:04
why not just run a set of heavy leads and Anderson plugs front to trailer, and plug and unplug whilst you are travelling as necessary ...

Charge the aux and trailer together, that way all should be looked after with pretty minimal effort.
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Follow Up By: Rokkitt - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 20:16

Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 20:16
I will but it is not going to happen in the next four weekends.....haven't got any spare cash right now either, saving hard for thetrip...:)
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Jul 28, 2006 at 00:07

Friday, Jul 28, 2006 at 00:07
Whoever came up with the "Two Bucket" analogy for "two connected batteries equalising their charge" has caused major confusion.

This analogy will only apply for 12 volt batteries that put out 6 volts when they are 50 % charged.

Mike
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Reply By: disco1942 - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 22:46

Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 22:46
The problem of charging a battery from another is that you have to apply a voltage in excess of 2.2 V/cell (13.2 V for a 12V battery) for a battery that has a fairly good charge. This is the level considered to be necessary to prevent self discharge and anything above that will be a float or charge voltage depending on how high it is above 13.2V. You will get some charge into a discharged battery but you will be operating your camper battery at too low levels for good life.

Max's idea of a 10W solar pannel would be insufficient for your application you would need more like a 4-50W panel.

Dave (in reply 2) mentioned an inverter to drive a good battery charger. This is a good a good idea. A better way to go would be a recharger or booster like Arrid's Twin Charge, BCA's Leab battery booster or Engel's 12 Volt in car Battery Charger (cheapest @ $140.) All three boost the battery or alternator voltage to around 14.4V to fully charge a deep cycle battery. If you mount one of these in your camper trailer and have it permanently connected to the battery charge line you will get a better battery charge as you are travelling.

If you do not wish to purchase equipment at this time then swap your batteries daily or run your lights directly from your vehicles auxiliary battery. Paralleling the two batteries will do neither much good in the long run and not really achieve what you desire..

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