Pre 2003 Toyota 2.7 owners BEWARE.
Submitted: Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 15:42
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slammin
I've got a 99 Hilux Extra cab
The Toyota service schedule for valve gaps is audible check at each service. I have had oil changes every 5k and at 100k and at that and every subsequent service have asked for valve clearence checks and always been told (by different shops Toyota or independent in NSW, QLD, NT) that the gaps are not an issue as it's a hydraulic lifter etc etc, don't worry.
Well that's a crock because when you can hear it, all you hear is an exhaust type leak which nobody has identified until I did a compression test and guess what it's too late as the valves in #1 are already starting to burn.
1 year out of extended warranty and 140k.
I've done a lot of searches pre purchase and post on this engine and all I could find out was that the valves were weak and unsuitable for LPG. The valves and seats were changed onwards of 2003.
Toyota
Alice Springs have said they have had a few thru the
shop same prob. similar mileage, only similarities was the vehicles had lots of highway use.
Well guess what, highways and low 4wd is all
mine has ever done...
BUGGER.
Reply By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 15:55
Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 15:55
Are you running LPG..?? Otherwise, yes Bugger , so do you need to replace the valves..? If so how much..?
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Follow Up By: slammin - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 16:07
Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 16:07
No LPG.
Head off etc min $1000. Toyota quoted @$1500 to $2200.
I'll get stainless valves all round and put LPG on at the same time. Which will help diffuse the cost of the head.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 16:27
Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 16:27
OK, here is a plan of action before you go ahead and replace the valves. Firstly you have been badly done by and Toyota have a habit of acknowledging this. It is common place for your Toyota dealer to write a letter of circumstances to Toyota explaining the situation, and asking Toyota to contribute 50% of the replacement cost. It's worth a try, at 140k your valves shouldn't be burning. I had Toyota replace a master cylinder whilst the vehicle was out of warranty and the quoted cost was $4000 so you can imagine I was happy. The dealer wrote the letter on my behalf explaining that Toyota often went halves in these circumstances. (I was lucky, they paid for the whole thing)
You'll need the dealers co-operation off course and need to wait for the reply. Worth a try if you can be bothered.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog - Vic - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 17:44
Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 17:44
yeah you serious, $4000 for a master cylinder, what the !
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 18:30
Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 18:30
Hi there terraFirma, do you mean 400 or 4000 what the hell is the master made from solid gold, must have been 1 hell of a huge master for that, what vehicle was that for ??? Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: slammin - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 22:33
Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 22:33
Terra,
I'll chase Toyota thru the dealer I bought it from.
I can't wait for a bit of a wrangle with Toyota as I'm out a bit remote with two kids.
The other problem I have is the dealer here does not have the personnel to cope with the job. They have a hard enough time keeping up with scheduled
services and can't even be trusted with them.....
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Friday, Jul 28, 2006 at 09:37
Friday, Jul 28, 2006 at 09:37
Yes it was $4000 for a 1998 Model GXV V8. The master brake cylinder. Ring up and price one, you'll be in for a shock as I was. I presume the $4k was the quoted RRP, I couldn't believe it either. Anyhow the dealer wrote the letter, they suggested it, as the vehicle had done 130,000k's and was always serviced by them. Toyota covered the whole cost so I was happy and it was the only thing I have ever had go wrong in 3 cruisers I've owned (Or my wife drives).
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Friday, Jul 28, 2006 at 10:34
Friday, Jul 28, 2006 at 10:34
Hi there TerraFirma, I would die in teh ar@e if I was quoted that sort of money for a master cylinder, lucky you were able to it through as a warranty job lucky. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Brett_B - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 19:51
Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 19:51
Thats bad luck slammin
I had a (2000 build) 2.7 for many years did 180.000, it never had any problems, I never had the valve gaps adjusted, never had the engine touched at all. My Klm were mainly hwy as
well.
When I sold the 2.7 it sounded the same as the day I got it, it was a top donk.
Mate of
mine bought one (2.7) just before me, the Toyota dealer fitted gas to it for him, it lasted 10,000 and burnt the valves out. He was then told by Toyota (same dealer who fitted it) that it was not suited to gas and was not covered by the warranty LOL
B
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Follow Up By: slammin - Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 22:48
Thursday, Jul 27, 2006 at 22:48
Well that figures exactly with the research I did. I've come across many 2.7's that have done more than 350k+ without a prob.
Mine only does highway runs of a few hours to get to Alice or interstate runs. We do low 4wd but this is negligable in terms of distance. The car will sit for a month between starts and stills does 20k+/year.
It's probably been in city traffic for no longer than a month in 7 years.
I'm bleep that I wanted the valves checked and was always turned away. I'm not suggesting it's an inherent problem but Toyota here said they have seen it a few times before.
The 2003 on are specced for gas so no prob.
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