Letting Diff Cool
Submitted: Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 15:50
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cipher
Hi guys,
well as some of you would know i had to get my rear diff rebuilt as it got a heap of
water in here and wrecked everything, its now $2000 worth of damage as i need a new one...
For all you guys who go through
water crossings etc etc do you have this problem with your diffs?
How do you over come this? I have extended my breathers etc etc...
Do you let your diff cool down before attempting?
Everyones opinion is welcome as i am learning
Justin
Reply By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 16:13
Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 16:13
I can only say ... yes I do let my diffs cool maybe as long as it takes to walk the
water and set my path ........... I'm sure i will be corrected here but I'm led to believe to drive through
water over a hot diff creates a low pressure within the diff and
water is thus drawn in through gaskets or seals etc.
I also have diff breathers and a breather for the gearbox set high in the engine bay.
Thanks
Brian
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Follow Up By: Rokkitt - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 16:24
Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 16:24
Hi,
You still destroyed the diff with the extended breathers....Bugger! so if extending the breathers doesn't prevent this what does?
Rod
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Follow Up By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 16:24
Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 16:24
That's about the long and the short of it Brian.
Where a lot of people have problems is not the breathers but any other leaks.
Air or oil any leak will suck
water in this situation.
One extreme way to overcome this is used in competition, you simply pressurise the diff with air. Theory being that it then blows rather than sucks (pardon my french) if there is a leak.
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Reply By: cipher - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 16:50
Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 16:50
Beautiful guys,
thanks heaps... Yeah mate i was spewin when the mechanic told me the repars will be about 2,000 after need a reco new lsd diff...
And as i said the diff breathers are extended so we're not sure what or how it happend... I do tend to let the diffs cool for about 3-5minutes...
If anyone has any ideas as to how to keep the
water out what do i do?
How do i pressureise the diff?
Justin
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Follow Up By: Rokkitt - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 16:53
Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 16:53
Tryin to get my head around this.....wouldn't pressurising the diff internally with compressed air cause leaks and even push the oil out???
I was gonna put diff breathers on this weekend! is there any point?
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Follow Up By: Flash - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 16:55
Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 16:55
Easy.
Extend the breathers and connect them to an air horn compressor. (ie: the rotary vane pump used by air horns)
Turn it on before entering
water, works a treat.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 17:01
Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 17:01
Rokkitt,
you only need 2 or 3psi... A slight release of oil is far more favourable than a slight ingress of
water.
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Follow Up By: cipher - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 17:04
Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 17:04
Yeah
well this is true
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Reply By: cipher - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 16:58
Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 16:58
that sounds crazy! As someone else said, wouldnt that just drive out the oil?!?!?
Should i really be risking my 2000 dollar diffs by a air horn compressor? lol
I dunno!!!
Justin
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Follow Up By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 17:12
Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 17:12
Oil is thicker than
water. Think about it.
I did say it was an extreme solution, BUT i'd suggest it is used by almost all in competition events so it must have something going for it.
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Reply By: warrioroz - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 17:04
Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 17:04
If you had your diff and gearbox breathers extended high enough ( I usually run them up to under the bonnet), they are not blocked and your seals are in good condition
water will not get into the diff, even so if you have been doing
water crossing you should always check you diff and gearbox oils just to make sure.
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Reply By: Mikee5 (QLD) - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 18:47
Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 18:47
When you fitted the extensions, did you take out the one way discs from the original caps so they could 'breathe'? If not then the breathers may have been blocked and it wouldn't matter how long they were. Do the ends of the breathers get wet? Do they have filters fitted or open ends? Do the ends point up or down - just some thoughts. If the breathers can breathe and the tops can't get
water in them they should work a treat.
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Reply By: Exploder - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 18:59
Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 18:59
$2000!!! Just for the rear diff rebuild.
A mate is getting both his diff ratios changed to 4.11’s with new LSD in the rear for $2200.
Get another quote for the job, I would also spend the extra and fit a Detroit True track LSD over the clutch LSD as the True track will be 10* better and never wear out.
What type of diff is it; I may be able to get you some cheaper partes for it.
Cheers.
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Follow Up By: cokeaddict - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 19:18
Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 19:18
I agree with Explorer on this, sounds way to expensive for 1 diff mate.
second opinion is one way to make sure the price is about right...I'm wondering whata second hand diff is worth ata wrecker for your vehicle.
Ange
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Reply By: friar - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 20:18
Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 20:18
Cipher, I have just had the rear diff in my hilux rebuilt with true track LSD,water caused the problem , diff specialist told me to carry oil & change it after crossing deep water especially if it is a long drive to
home.I go to
cape york or territory every year early in wet season so my vehicle has seen a lot of deep water crossings always changed it when i get
home .Never had a oil leak & never been milky when changed but was informed that it doesn,t take much to do damage.
Friar
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Reply By: fisho64 - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 22:07
Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 22:07
Where I am in WA we dont need to do crossings, but why cant you just drill and tap a 1/8"BSP plug up the middle of the drain plug (lowest point of diff) and after a crossing stop for a minute to let oil settle then remove small bung to see if oil or water comes out? Water will be at the lowest point if present, just like your water/fuel sparator. So long as you dont keep driving so it amalgamates (milky)
Will save doing an oil change EVERY crossing?
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Reply By: Voxson (Adelaide) - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 22:50
Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 22:50
If your diff breathers are free of all interference your diff should suck air through them
well before the oil seals.....
I am not a fan of puting those fuel filters at the ends of them because i feel they could
well be interference.....
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Reply By: geocacher (djcache) - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 21:46
Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 21:46
Thank Christ I like to tinker and I'm connected with good mechanical mates.
Had my rig decide to operate in two wheel drive only on Monday. Rear wheels only.
Bugger. Had to get pulled out by a mate and I hate that. At least it wasn't the mate there in a jeep....
Anyway turns out it was a sticking Aisin manual locking hub that had had water in it.
But I'll bet that if I'd taken it to one or two of several repairers and just said fix it I'd have got stories that varied from busted CV joints to diff rebuilds. My mechanical mate agrees with me. He's seen it happen on more than a few occasions.
Anyway, did the wheel bearings while we were in there so it cost me $85 for some bearings and a handfull of grease.
I guess I cheated some dodgy mechanic out of a couple of g's for something he didn't have to do.
Dave
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Reply By: robak (QLD) - Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 12:13
Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 12:13
Is it possible that water gets in not beacuse the air inside the diff shrinks but because the metak of the diff warps when it is suddenly cooled?
Just a thought
R
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Follow Up By: cipher - Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 21:59
Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 21:59
robak,
that is what i have heard.. Since metal contracts when it is cooled especially at such a fast rate, the seals also contract and apparently there is an opening or something..
just have heard the same story as you have said tis all
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