Pajero video - MATT/ATC
Submitted: Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 16:35
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Interesting video link explaining the Pajero's MATT and ATC capability, including some interesting hillclimb demonstrations (done on standard HT tyres!).
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Warning - it's 8.4MB, so broadband users only!
Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 18:08
Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 18:08
OK, you got me, I can't resist commenting :o)
Interesting, but it worries me.
Suppose one reason I haven't gone to the latest model:-)
Suppose it is less for the driver to worry about, easier for the novice, but easier for the novice to get into real trouble.
Remember seeing the video about Mitsubishi proving that the one snatch point at the front doesn't bend the chassis at the front of the NP.
They left the tyres up at normal pressure and drove on sand for 30 minutes until the MATTS over heated. Then it bogged.
Some swear by it, and it is a good system. But not for me, until I get this old one really bogged I suppose, then I will wish I had MATTS to switch on!
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Follow Up By: pickle - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 18:36
Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 18:36
Great video!
Dave
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 16:38
Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 16:38
If it was a non-MATT Pajero, it would have bogged and stopped moving LONG before the MATT overheated, so I don't see any benefit in not having MATT.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 20:40
Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 20:40
Mike, you may be right.
But I assume from a name like Mike DID that you may have a pajero with MATT?
Would a non MATT pajero, but with LSD and front diff lock, and standard diff centre diff lock get as far as MATT in a difficult situation, assuming the same tyres and pressures, driver ability in picking a line,
suspension and clearance setup etc, are the same?
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 21:12
Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 21:12
My experience with Rear LSD is that it still stops you fairly easily.
I didn't consider Diff Lock because I thought we were comparing stock versions.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:31
Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:31
Thanks Mike,
Just trying to work out why Mitsubishi went down the electronic direction instead of mechanical.
I think mechanical additions would get you just as far.
But they most probably went electrical/mechanical (electric control of the brakes) since ABS is already there, and going this way also adds some sort of stability control as
well.
But the mechnical still depends on mor dirver input for proper use.
However the electrical results in more long term maintaanence and manintenance cost over the life of the vehicle, of say 10 to 20 years?
Just find it interesting!
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:48
Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:48
yep, there's no doubt it's a cost issue. You just have to modify the ABS so it can APPLY brake pressure ( rather than just take off brake pressure for normal ABS ) and then you can do Traction Control and Stability Control.
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Reply By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 18:42
Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 18:42
Great thing that technology, very interesting to see how it works, I suppose while its all working ok it would be great but when it goes bang, but hey I remember my old man saying that when fuel injection started to become popular more problems, more drama's bla bla bla, funny thing is when he was still around his last car was EFI, I then remember him saying wow how goods the efi, no manual choke, no waiting for it to warm up a bit b4 taking off, better fuel efficiency, and my mum still driving the same very vehicle around no problems since they bought new. We'll all be going that way sooner or later. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 16:40
Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 16:40
. . . or when the power steering goes bang, or when the power brakes go bang :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 22:55
Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 22:55
Hi there Mike, but at least with no power steer or booster bleep s itself I can still get home. As I said one day we will all be driving the vehicles with this stuff as standard as that is the way it is going, wasnt knocking the pajero's, if i could afford to have one of these vehicles with all the stuff to go bang I probably would. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Diesel Power - Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 09:22
Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 09:22
Yep no good off road those Pajero's shopping trolley duty only!!! ha ha good video that
well done!
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Reply By: Robin - Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 21:09
Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 21:09
The broadbands to slow to watch it just now, but I will with interest.
Just returned from playing on big red with one , and the traction control definately
prevented it from getting up big red.
After turning off the paj went up as
well my 4800 gu when set on open diffs.
Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 21:16
Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 21:16
Robin - the only way to turn off Traction Control is to pull the ABS fuse.
Or do you mean turn off the ASC - Automatic Stability Control ? ASC applies braking on one wheel when it senses over or understeer.
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Follow Up By: Robin - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 08:09
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 08:09
Hi Mike
I can't say which , but I will try to find out. Finaly got to see video.
As you go up Big Red about 10m from top there is left hand uphill turn which is a little off camber. Usually cars understeer here and spin inside wheel.
Quite pronounced on video's we took particularly on shorter RTI cars.
Stability control could have played a part here.
I know that my car is worse here with diff lock (front ) engaged as it understeers , whereas this is one of few
places that engaging rear lock insteadof front helps along with a little power (GU 4800) to kick back out so you are aligned for last few meters over the top.
Robin Miller
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