parallel battery setup

Submitted: Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 15:55
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I have a question regarding the setup of parallel batteries. I have a rodeo dual cab and it was too much of an effort to find room to put the aux battery under the bonnet, so I took the easy way out and mounted it in the tray. I only want the batteries to run parallel with an isolator switch.

Now, I know for parallel you need both batteries connected, positive to positive, negative to negative.

My question is, is it necessary to have the two negatives from each battery connected to each other? Or can I just link the two positives by themselves and earth the aux battery in the tray? This way I don’t have to have a negative battery lead from the engine bay as well, and can save some $$$

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Reply By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 16:29

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 16:29
You can... but :)

Ensure you have an _excellent_ earth for your 2nd battery and ensure it doesn't develop corrosion over time. If the batteries are in parallel during starting you may be drawing huge currents from the 2nd battery which is not a great idea without a cable connection - but I think Mini's use to do it, didn't they?

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Brooka27 - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 16:56

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 16:56
you are correct Mike on the battery setup, I have been running the exact setup in my 80 series. Not sure about the Minis though.

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Follow Up By: Stiphodon - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 18:30

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 18:30
"If the batteries are in parallel during starting you may be drawing huge currents from the 2nd battery which is not a great idea without a cable connection"

I'm not too sure what do you mean by 'cable connection'? Do you mean not having the cable going between each negative terminal?

I plan on having the batteries in parallel during startup - why would there be bigger than normal currents drawn from the second battery? Wouldnt the load just be shared across both?

Sorry, bit ignorant when it comes to auto electrics :/
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Follow Up By: Brooka27 - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:59

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:59
The only issue I can see is that the starter motor is connected directly to the main starting battery, Active and Neutral.
Where as the second battery the active would be direct via your isolator and the common neutral body connection of your car.
Hence make sure the body connections are kept in good nick (slightly higher current drawn otherwise).

You are correct about the load sharing across both batteries being in parallel.
Just make sure your second battery can handle the starting currents drawn.

I have used this setup for five years now and have had no probs to date.
AC Delco for main starting battery and optima dry cell for aux.
I also installed larger than recommended cables for all active and neutral (earth)connections (it just helps).

Hope that helps
Cheers Brooka27
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 21:28

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 21:28
Even if both batteries are identical, you won't get equal current sharing between the two batteries.

With the several hundred amps of starter current flowing, the extra resistance in the leads to the rear battery plus Isolator Switch will mean it will supply a lot less current.

Unless you make the wiring to the rear battery FOUR TIMES the section of the wiring from Starter to front battery.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 08:26

Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 08:26
What mike says is quite correct providing both batteries are of similar capacity and "health". I was thinking more of the situation where the main starting battery (the one under the bonnet) is on it's last legs but the one in the tray is in good condition; in that situation the starter motor will try and draw the majority of it's current from the tray battery which mean you will have lots of amps trying to flow back to that battery via the body - which may well be OK _providing_ you have an excellent earth connection.

It also means the cable connected to the positive terminal will be carrying the same high current so _make sure_ it's big enough otherwise you could have a fire on your hands.

If you put a relay activated by a switch on the dash between the two batteries you could avoid starting current being drawn from both and it would provide a simple dual battery system.

If you're still unsure just ask again - better to get it right than cause damage :)

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 09:13

Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 09:13
Actually, if you used a spare contact on the relay to "latch" it and put a normally open push button on the dash and wired the relay coil from an ignition dependant source you could ensure the relay would not be energised during starting. Much simplier to do than it sounds :) Let me know if you want to do that and I'll draw the circuit for you.

Mike Harding

mike_harding@fastmail.fm
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Reply By: Muzzgit (WA) - Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 01:03

Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 01:03
Yes, extra starting power would not be a straight doubling of the two batteries because of the limited capacity of the cabling. But I don't think this is what Stiphodon wants to do.

If you want it as an aux for running a fridge or lights, then what you want to do sounds fine, but it may pay to at least have a good earth direct to the chassis, not just the tray.

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Reply By: drivesafe - Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 06:33

Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 06:33
Hi Stiphodon, in any professional dual battery set up, no matter how sure you are that having the earth return through the body will work, running both the positive and the negative guaranties that you KNOW you have good power connections between the two ( or three ) batteries.

In your case, the potential of a bad earth return is much greater if you want to try and use the tray as part of the earth return.

No matter what set up you have, there is no way the properly test to see if a secure earth return can be made via the body of the vehicle. Simply measuring for any resistance between the two battery locations is next to useless because the problem of a resistance will only show up under a high current loads.

If you have a good earth return through the body, you will actually have a better set up with a lower potential voltage drop than you would when running two battery cables but because of the possible problems as explained above because there is no way of knowing for sure, what you can do is to run both the positive and the negative cables between the batteries and also run earth straps at both batteries. This way if you have a good earth through the body, you get the advantage of it. But if the is a resistive path back through the body, it won’t effect your batteries operation.
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