hand winch

Submitted: Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 18:23
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G'day
would a 2.5 tonne Bighaul hand winch be suitable for a well and truly fully loaded
troopcarrier that means 280 litres of fuel 65 litres of water 2 spares etc etc
i guess what i mean to say is what will this winch really pull.
once again i look forward to you're input.
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Reply By: hoyks - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 18:43

Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 18:43
Throw in a snatch block and it will pull 5 tonne. Lots of effort to pull half as far as a single line pull though, but it will do it.

That said, from most of the places I have got stuck, it only needed to pull a meter or two to get going again.
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Follow Up By: skippie - Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 00:27

Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 00:27
hoyks
thanks for you're reply
i'm beginning to believe i might be getting a bit old for the hand winch
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Follow Up By: hoyks - Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:36

Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:36
I was too old for one when I bought it. Only found that out about a week afterwards though ;-) .

I see using it as penance for putting myself in a position to get stuck in the first place.
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Follow Up By: hoyks - Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:47

Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:47
I will add that I am only 35 and find it dam hard work. I was knocked up winching a Sierra out of a sandy creek with a single line pull, So shifting a troopie would be a lot harder than that.
An electric would be an option to get you going, but my preferred option would be to travel with others or stick to tracks that have some traffic.

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Reply By: Crackles - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 21:41

Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 21:41
Skip, borrow a handwinch & give it a go. On training weekends I make sure everyone has a go to see how hard they are to use. With a Hilux rolling on a 10 degree slope, 8 people took 15 minutes to move it less than 15 metres.(& they were all puffing) Now imagine the effort required by 2 people to move a 3.8 tonne tonne Troopy that was actually stuck in mud or on a 30 degree hill. Using a snatch block may half the effort but just doubles the pain.
An air bag, shovel & a tyre gauge are the cheap recovery items to get you out of the simple situations but when you're really stuck a hand winch is undersized for a vehicle like yours.
Cheers Craig..............
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Follow Up By: skippie - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 23:41

Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 23:41
G'day crackles
I did a driving course in cairns a few months ago
the advice was to get a handwinch 4500 kg (not the electric)
I did have a go at it, and the trainer could see it was to much for me(i'm 65) but don't look it ):
I think you're right
I don't think i can do it manually
so what do you think?
get a warn winch or is there somthing better
skip
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 17:42

Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 17:42
If it's just the trip to the Simpson you're getting the winch for it's not really necessary as some travelling accross even take their winches off to save weight.
If stuck on the approach to a dune one simply backs down & has another go. If stuck on a crest 5 minutes shovelling will get you moving again. If stuck in a salt lake or clay pan you need alot of cable & another car to tow (stay off them when wet). If you require the winch for other trips that may have steep river banks/bogholes (eg:Vic High Country) then an electric winch is ideal. The 8000lb Warn high mount, 8000lb Ramsey/Thomas/Powerauto worm drive winches or the 10K & 12K low mount units are all suitable for a heavy Troopy. Plenty available 2nd hand under a grand.
Cheers Craig.......
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Reply By: Jimbo - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 21:46

Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 21:46
Make sure you eat your Weet Bix
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Reply By: ross - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 23:50

Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 23:50
You cant beat a powered winch if you need one
How do you plan on getting stuck?
A lot of people get by without any winch,just a good jack to lift the tyres and jamb something solid under there.

If you goiing to get a winch it has to be reliable.
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Follow Up By: skippie - Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 00:50

Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 00:50
G'day ross
i'm an absolute novice
I'm 65 years young never did anything daring so i thought i might try the simpson
and as many 4x4 tracks that i think i can handle (have to be a little conservative
because i won't be alone)
in short i need to be sure i do whatever i can to make the trip(s)safe
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Follow Up By: ross - Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 07:32

Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 07:32
Skip ,I have a friend at the RSL who is baby faced 70 year old.
He reckons he did 22000 klms last year most of it off road including a trip to Queensland from WA via the "scenic route" (through the centre)with no winch.

I guess it safer to have one,but remember most winches die from lack of use;)
Keep them well serviced and good luck on the Simpson.
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Follow Up By: Member - MrBitchi (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 11:04

Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 11:04
IMHO a winch in the Simpson is like an ashtray on a motorbike (to quote a well known racing identity) bloody useless. Nothing to hook it up to so if you want to use it you have to bury a dead man, and thats bloody hard work, unless you want to carry one of those new fangled sand anchors...

Getting bogged in sand dunes usually means your tyres have too much air in them, and usually you'll only get stuck going up a dune. Select reverse and back down, and air down, for another go ;-)

For general tracks an electric or hydraulic winch is the go, and make sure you do a training course with it and lots of practice before you have to use it in anger.

Welcome to the world of 4x4. I'm sure you'll have a ball.
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Reply By: Steve63 - Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:46

Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:46
Hi Skip,
Winches are a good standby. I have not had to use mine much but was glad I had it when it ended up being the most viable option. We usually travel alone so are more cautious than others that travel in groups. If we get stuck we usually manage to get out without using a winch. Winching can be dangerous and should be approached with caution and using all safety precautions. While accidents are rare they usually cause severe damage to either the operator or the vehicle. The winch is not often my first thought but rather a fall back after trying the simpler methods. Usually 10 minutes with a shovel and an adjustment of tyre pressue (either up or down) gets you out. It requires less effort and is often quicker. So I would get a good compressor before a hand winch. One thing I have noticed. If you are stuck in an area where a few others have been stuck already you can garantee some dill has pulled every winch point out of the ground for 50 metres! So you need 2 extention straps just to reach a reasonable anchour point. Plenty of people travel without them and if you travel in a group a winch is not really required. A hand winch is a lot of work. I don't even have one. If I need to winch backwards I use a chain, extension strap and Hi Lift Jack. Tedious but effective. When we did our training course my wife (50kg) got our car out by herself using this method. This was not really simulated, you could not drive the car out from the training area.

Steve
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