Happy News for those worried about the 15mm Tyre Diameter rule

26mm passenger vehicle, 50 mm 4WD or commercial vehicle.....

Sorry GaryInOZ. Check out pg 63 on the pdf from the address above. 15mm Passenger, 50mm 4wd or commercial. But if the 4wd in lifted over 50mm then tyres go back to being only 26mm over. Page 16 is on lifts up 50mmm and page 63 is lifts 50mm to 150mm. Check it out I could be wrong. Hope I am

Thank god they came out with new rules to make things clearer.

Was thinking the same thing T-Man, luckily its a national code.

so we can all be confused together?

I agree; very confusing.

Maybe you need to print a copy of the document off and take it to your local rego place and ask them if these new laws etc apply to qld (or whatever state). If they say "YES", then get the persons name, rank and serial number....or better still, get them to sign the page saying "this applies to qld" etc. If they say "NO", ask them why not and ask to see the manager/supervisor etc cos you've been led to believe these new laws are Australia-wide etc.

Once you're satisfied you've got the right answers, then go ahead and get the tyres that fit the law/s. If you're ever queried by the coppers, carry the signed documents in your car and say they meet the standards.

Seek and you shall find.
- from their website:

"Please be aware that the NCOP only represents the technical requirements that must be met - administrative requirements are dealt with separately by each state and territory's administrative guidelines or business rules."
....
"Further comments on the NCOP may be directed to the following email addresses."

Victoria
Gray.Scott@roads.vic.gov.au

New South Wales
Harry_Vertsonis@rta.nsw.gov.au

Australian Capital Territory
rod.paule@act.gov.au

South Australia
roland.earl@transport.sa.gov.au

Northern Territory
simon.saunders@nt.gov.au

Tasmania
Tony.Beard@dier.tas.gov.au

Queensland
robert.j.gibson@transport.qld.gov.au

Western Australia
rex.middleton@dpi.wa.gov.au

My experience with NCOPs in other areas is that they aren't law unless adopted as a standard in each state.
The NCOP in this case is very prescriptive which provides the basis for standards to be drawn up.
Where I have had input into COPs elsewhere I have tried to steer away from prescriptiveness and focussed on outcomes.
It would be an interesting question to ask as to who was consulted in compiling this COP as it appears that not many 4WDers were consulted.
What is the real outcome being sought?
is there any evidence that completely legal (engineered) vehicles are any less safe than any other?
Is it really that there are many modified vehicles around that don't have appropriate certification? are they any less safe?

I think we all know the answers here and they have been said here and in other forums. It's not about reflecting fact, it is about policing the many for the sins of very few.

NickR

Won't the ATECO be dull when these standards are applied!!!

To be 100% go with some 90/90 Avons...

NickR, thread on OL says they are accepted.

>> Alot of people believe, that if they have an engineers cert, they are 'A ok', but most insurance companies dont see it that way.

how do you work that out?

Truckster

Ron and Viv Moon are a good example, their patrol was fully certified, NRMA would not touch them, I think they had some problems with a few others as well.

Theres plenty of companies wont touch cars with over a 1inch lift now, so that could have been their problem more than the mods etc.

CGU if you call them now (or when I did), told me not interested if you have any suspension mods raising the car.

its all part of the big picture to squeeze us off the road - fuel, insurance, mods, etc...

Truckster, alot of people believe that the engineers certificate means the vehicle is roadworthy. From what I have been informed, it means the mods have been done correctly & subsequently the reputable ones give the certificate etc for that reason alone.

BUT, most insurances companies dont give a rats. As we all know, they will look at anyway to get out of paying a claim & if you/me go outside the specs as specified by the manufacturer, vehicle is unroadworthy. Not only with 4wd's but also includes the lowered riceburners/dunnydores etc etc.

That is why I'm interested to find out how insurance companies will view these new regs.

cheers

>>> if you/me go outside the specs as specified by the manufacturer, vehicle is unroadworthy.

Manure.

The reason you get a vehicle engineered, then the mods are registered with Vicroads is to make it/Prove it actually is roadworthy. The whole testing process, swerve tests, braking tests, and for example all the other crap that Lucy went thru to raise the GvM of his Troop, is to prove the vehicle is roadworthy and within the ADR's that the mods are affecting.

Thats how the engineer and the 12yr old on disability pension working at Vicroads told me, otherwise why would people bother? That made Lucy's rig legal and roadworthy, why would it be any different?

Truckster - your comment re CGU is very interesting especially noting that CGU are the underwriters for TCIS...doesn't make much sense does it?

TCIS dont use CGU anymore as their main 4wd insurance - havent for 2 yrs now.
That all changed.

if you/me go outside the specs as specified by the manufacturer, vehicle is unroadworthy.

Sorry, my bad. In the eyes of the INSURANCE COMPANY, the vehicle may be unroadworthy.

Just so happens I received a quote from TCIS to cover my patrol, kanga campertrailer and camping gear.........all underwritten by CGU

I called TCIS today to ask as I used to be with them, and TCIS used CGU as their pretty much only supplier until 2 yrs ago.

They said that they use them for lesser modded cars, but they are no longer 'the top of the list' and are probably in the bottom 5% of companies they recommend. they still recommended the same 2 for mine as they did few weeks ago.

Not sure that is right Charlie, a 50mm increase in tyre size only gives 25mm of lift, so some suspension lift should still be available.

I don't think that's how they look at it,from what I've heard 50mm tires are regarded as being a 50mm lift!
WA,TAS and SA apparently have the new system,it's been happening any week now in NSW since last November? Rumour has it QLD won't bring it in.
Regards Charlie

nope, its actual measured lift, so 50mm bigger tire size only lifts 25mm. they are using chassis rail measurements.

Ok I'll take your word for that, I managed to get engineered last November and the memories a bit dim.
Regards Charlie

There is alot to this paper that i think really needs to be looked at....
for example......Page 21.
Extended or adjustableshackle paltes must not be used to raise vehicles on leaf spring suspensions.
Does this mean no drop shackles, or the pinned ones either?

meow.

rick.

Yep .... I reckon it's funny too!

Yep keep em standard Roachie, that what Lucy always says too Come to mention it do does Neil Cooper

nobody with a brain thats 4sure