What Tough Tyres for RV??

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Hi all,

I am in the early stages of planning a small expedition for next year (2-3 weeks)which will involve substantial sections of bush driving in the RV.

The Light Truck tyres the vehicle came with would not last 5 kilometres over branches, sharp rocks or other obstacles encountered.

Anyone in the know as to what tyre I should get for this trip? I don't mind paying $500 a tyre if I can reduce the amount of punctures I would get. I admit getting the alloys was for looks more than practicle ability but surely there would be something that would fit the rims. The size is 265/70R16.

The bush will be Gibson and Great Sandy and I don't mind using the tyres lifespan on the one trip.

Any thoughts apprieciated.

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Reply By: Voxson (Adelaide) - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 21:41

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 21:41
I have no idea what is the best tyre for your trip because i am not a tyre expert,,, but i can tell you that my Cooper STT tyres just completed the OTL, Simpson Desert, etc etc.... Which you may think "BIG DEAL"..."thats not much in the way of rough country"....
but we also navigated between dirt tracks by going straight across country in some places around Hells Gate to Kingfisher,,, and that country is absolutely full of dead wood and rocks.... and i could'nt dodge it all...
and not a problem in the world....
Tyre pressures were dropped to 22psi the moment i hit gravel / roads...
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Follow Up By: equinox - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 21:46

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 21:46
Yeah I've read of the Coopers. They do sound pretty good.
I think my main concern is whether they will fit and whether I have to make modifications to the suspension.

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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew W (SA) - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 22:30

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 22:30
I too have Cooper STTs - did a big trip including many low use tracks extremely over grown with lots of mallee roots down the old telegraph track between Eyre and Israelite Bay, then from Cocklebiddy up to Neales Junction and across the Anne Beadell.

Sure - there are lots more heavy going country, but despite the rocks, roots and necessity of lower pressures due to frequent sand patches, they are perfect - no signs of wear or ANY chipping after 6500 km.

Only other thing I would think of using would be MRFs. I know the roo-shooters can't get enough of them.

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Reply By: George - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 21:53

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 21:53
Ditch the alloys and get a set (or 2 just in case) of skinny 14 ply Super Grippers.
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Follow Up By: equinox - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 22:01

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 22:01
I have thought of getting split rims. It would be so much easier.

The stud pattern of the RV is different to the more popular model cruiser that uses 15 inch rims. 16 inch splitties are pretty hard to find.

I haven't heard of Super Grippers.


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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 22:19

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 22:19
Supper Grippers are Dunlop , I am not a fan of them ...
MT/R's should do you fine
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Follow Up By: equinox - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 22:22

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 22:22
What brand are MT/R's?

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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 20:14

Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 20:14
The stud pattern of the RV is different to the more popular model cruiser that uses 15 inch rims. 16 inch splitties are pretty hard to find.
I find this statement confusing. Any old 16 inch splitty will fit on your RV. You may have meant the 6 stud plitties are easier to find than the 5 stud - but i have found neither hard to source.
The MTR are goodyear which i tried recently and found them not the answer for heavy going (they are probably the best of the radials though)
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 20:54

Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 20:54
"The stud pattern of the RV is different to the more popular model cruiser that uses 15 inch rims. 16 inch splitties are pretty hard to find."

I'm with Davoe on this one, my RV Troopy comes standard with 5 stud 16" split rims.
Same stud pattern as your RV table top. Same stud pattern as a live front axle 100 Series wagons.

And the MTR's he mentions come highly recommended. I'm still wearing out the factory fitted tyres.

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Reply By: markeaust - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 22:49

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 22:49
Equinox,

I'm interested in what the "Light Truck Tyres" are that came with the vehicle? If you bought it new, I would assume they are Dunlop Road Grippers, 8ply rating and made in Japan. They normally come on split rims which are dead easy to find at wreckers/eBay/Trading Post or the like....I just sold 5 brand newies for $80!

I have just completed a trip to the Kimberley/Bungles/Gibb River Road/Tanami Road and home via the Gunbarrel and Great Central Road and I run these exact tyres on my 105 series L/C. Punctures or tyre problems in just over 12,000km = 0. I had 2 spares and about 50kg of levers, tyre pliers, patches, glue etc.

Many out there on this forum may bag the old Road Grippers or 'Telstra Tyres', but I find for the price I can get 'roaded' tyres for (about $160 per tyre) the value is there compared to the Coopers/BFG's etc at say $280ish per tyre. The last set were replaced at 55,000km, but they had more life left in them, however I wanted the newies on for the trip.

Secondly, these old crappy Road Grippers are available everywhere in the outback and they are the most reasonably priced tyre and the most common tyre found...there are literally thousands of Toyotas (troopies/utes/wagons) roaming the outback in the guise of Britz/Locals/Boomerang rentals etc ...you name it and its bound to be wearing split rims and road grippers....pays to have hundreds of 'spares' along with you on the ride if the worst comes to the worst.

I went through this exact same research before my trip and read just about every one of the 738981375492834 threads on tyres and came to the conclusion that there is actually no real consensus and this was confirmed whilst on the trip....especially in relation to pressures for varying conditions. My general rules were high pressures on the bitumen, slightly lower on the smooth fast gravel roads and gradually lower as the conditions worsened.....worked for me.

You don't need to pay $500 for a tyre...in fact it won't make any difference to the number of punctures you do or don't get and if you do get a wrecked tyre you will be spewing, both at the loss of a perfectly good tyre and the exorbitant cost of replacing some fancy rubber in the outback (unless you have unlimited $$$$)

IMHO careful driving to the conditions and proper attention to pressures will be a better preventative measure.

I do however agree that if you have some slick looking highway tyres with bugger all real tread, then anything in A/T or M/T pattern will be better. Not worth getting the old BFG/Cooper debate going again though.

Just my thoughts.............K.I.S.S Principle works everytime.

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Follow Up By: equinox - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 23:11

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 23:11
Thanks Mark

Certainly, I do not have unlimited funds :(

Just checked the tyre-
Dunlop Grantrek AT1 - Steel Belted Radial - Made in Japan

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Reply By: Member - Jeff H (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 23:57

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 23:57
. Equinox, the other bloke said it all. Said it all. In NW West Aust, there are possibly 2:1 hire vehicles to private. Maybe I've got a bit of a thing about rubber that the Missus isn't aware of yet, but I sniffed almost every tyre on display, and the good old Bfg and Coopers were no more represented than any other.
. I run BFG's ,wear varies from good to ordinary, severe stake damage to sidewalls has been accomodated. They chip badly.So do most 'semi aggressive' tyres , I suspect.
. I suspect that , maybe, I'm typical of our mob; universal "off road tyres" simply don't exist. When we get remote, I carry 3 wheels; maybe I should carry 4. Hmm, it's called 'space'.
. Have you read any of Len Beddels books?
(spelling looks wrong; sentiment is accurate: help trhis bloke, please.
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Reply By: Member - Traveller (QLD) - Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 06:44

Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 06:44
My RV came standard with alloys and Japanese Dunlop Grandtreks AT1 265/70/R16. Can't find a ply rating.
The standard L/C ute comes with split rims on the same hubs. A s/h set with tyres should not be hard to find as many are swapped for alloys anyway.

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Follow Up By: equinox - Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 16:39

Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 16:39
Hi Traveller,

I was under the impression that the standard ute had 15inch rims and that the stud pattern is different. If I was wrong on only one of those points I still couldn't just swap them over.

If the standard ute had 16 inch rims and the same stud pattern, well, that would be just great!!

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Follow Up By: Member - Traveller (QLD) - Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 17:04

Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 17:04
Just to be sure I've pulled out the extra spare I carry on mine, it's a Dunlop SP Road Gripper 750R16 on a gray split 16" 5 stud rim. Mine cost $100.00 for the tyre and rim.

Check it out with your Toyota dealer, or better still the tyre / rim shop that does all their work.

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Follow Up By: equinox - Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 17:58

Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 17:58
Thanks for that

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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 11:34

Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 11:34
I think you are in perth now. There is a mob on Dundas road that can set you up with 2nd hand 16 ply rags for 80 bucks fitted. Even if you buy splittys for 2nd hand dealer prices (about 100 bucks) you will still be streetsd ahead on price compared to bfg/cooper/goodyear and the level of puncture resistance is huge compared to aformentioned radials
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Follow Up By: equinox - Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 16:48

Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 16:48
Hey Davoe.
How are you?

Yeah I'm in Perth now clocking up the annual leave.

I might head up to Forrestfield on the weekend and have a look.

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Reply By: Member - Stan (VIC) - Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 11:44

Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 11:44
Just put Goodyear Wrangler MTRs on and forget about Coopers, whey are not for gibber country... Just look through archives - everyone happy with Goodyear MTRs
and with STTs there is one happy person for every unhappy person...

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Reply By: banjodog - Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 16:33

Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 16:33
The 7.50 x 16 14 ply might be worth a look, price OK - Grudge
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Reply By: Jimbo - Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 20:20

Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 20:20
RV ????

Are you talking about a caravan, a quad motorbike, a bus, a moped ??? Or perhaps a mountain bike?

FFS, such Americanisms do get up my nose.

Of course if you are talking about a 4wd, you should use the correct Yankism, SUV and then you would really climb up my nostrils.

Sorry for the bluntness, but this is Australia after all. Our identity is fast disappearing. Sad but true.
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Follow Up By: Muddy doe (SA) - Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 20:25

Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 20:25
If you look at his rig pic he is talking about his "Toyota Landcruiser RV Cab Chassis (HDJ79R) 2006"

Yes I hate americanisms as well - cannot bring myself to call the Prado an "SUV"

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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 22:31

Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 22:31
Jimbo

comments like yours get up my nose .... Americanism can only replace a void ... when you have a strong identity then what is the problem? .. are you afraid that there is a void ? well I guess you better join the Islam .. looks a far better identity for you ... because you seem to have lost touch with the red dirt here ...
get lost with your misplaced and uncalled comments
get laid
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 22:47

Friday, Aug 11, 2006 at 22:47
Are you Fair Dinkhum?

Or just out of touch?

I am ROFLMAO at you.

Wanker, Loser, need I say any more?
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Saturday, Aug 12, 2006 at 20:19

Saturday, Aug 12, 2006 at 20:19
hey jimbo i hate aAmaricanisms too but i think you will find he called it an RV coz that is exactly what it is. Cant tell by the photo but i bet it has an RV decal on it which is sort of an upmarket version of the toughest work truck available. The flash wheels rather than nthe splitties give it away
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Aug 14, 2006 at 19:43

Monday, Aug 14, 2006 at 19:43
Equinox,

You won't get strong sidewall tyres in 265/70R16. The Dunlops your vehicle came with are pretty weak in the sidewall. I'd suggest you use 265/75R16 on your RV's 16x7 rims. They fit up well and are a common tyre with a lot heavier LT construction.
Goodyear MTRs are the most puncture-resistant of the tubeless radials. In my experience, most people who have Cooper tyres stake and destroy them.

And save yourself a lot of hassle by using a decent tubeless plug kit for any punctures. Takes a few minutes to fix a puncture with the tyre still on the vehicle. And again, in my experience, one split rim puncture takes an hour off beer o'clock.

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