Bured philips head screw

Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 18:17
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Hello,

I have being to try adjust the door latch on my rear barn doors on my patrol, i have tryed to much and have stuffed the philips head socket so i cant get anything to unscrew it.

Are there any tricks out there that will enable me to get the screw undone.

cheers

Brent
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Reply By: Hairy - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 18:18

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 18:18
Try an impact driver
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 19:45

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 19:45
Okay guys here's a suggestion from a tradesperson.... Drill the hole as suggested and get an "easyout" from an engineering supplier like Blackwoods.

It has course spiral flutes and tapered shaft and is designed for precicely this function....

check this place to see how it is done.....

Grrr!!!
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Follow Up By: Hairy - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 12:37

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 12:37
What would a qualified dress maker know about easyouts???? LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 16:31

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 16:31
"What would a qualified dress maker know about easyouts"

Oh dear I'm in stitches - gherkinhead.....LOL.....

Grrr!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 08:35

Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 08:35
Yes impact driver is good as are easy outs, but I get little resistance with the oxy !

Cheers Pesty
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Reply By: blown4by - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 18:44

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 18:44
Yeah impact driver is the best, failing that give it a couple of good smacks with a pin punch about the same diameter as the head of the screw and then get a centre punch and centre pop it near the edge of the screw head but not that close to the edge that it will tear the metal and then proceed to tap it gently but firmly in the same centre popped mark with the centre punch at a 45 degree angle so the force is going in a anti-clockwise direction until, fingers crossed, it moves. This is all assuming you have enough access to get the punch and hammer on to it. Impact screwdriver is the best and not with an el cheapo phillips bit in it.
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Reply By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 18:49

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 18:49
Drill it out??? The chewed out "slot" of the Philips head should be a good pilot hole. If you can get the other screws out you can work on the stuck one with a bit more freedom of movement on the workbench

Impact driver will only work if you have something solid behind the screw otherwise you will have more alignment problems than you started with.

If you can get to the rear of the screw and if it a machine thread, is it possible to put two nuts (locknutted) on the thread and wind the screw out "backwards" from the inside of the panel to the point where you can get a good grip of the head of the screw with vice grips?
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Reply By: Shaker - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 19:16

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 19:16
It might be too late for this, but try dipping your screwdriver in valve grinding paste!
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Reply By: Grandpa joe - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 19:27

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 19:27
Hello Brent,
There is a tool you can buy from Jaycar Electronics that can come in quite handy, It's called a Grabit' .... part number ; Cat TD-2059 on the jaycar website$49.95 ! Although I would recommend making a barrier out of blue tack that will hold some penetrine or wd40 in a small puddle against the screw in question, leaving overnight to ease in it's removal.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 21:33

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 21:33
Yes, thats the best option. Go grab a "Grabit". They work well. Good luck, but you probably won't need luck this time.
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Follow Up By: c j - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 10:55

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 10:55
Spend the money and get a Grabit, they're great! I also bought one for my old man and he reckons it's the best tool he's come across in ages.
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 19:53

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 19:53
Yep, scrape away surrounding paint so a penetrant (CRC, WD40, even diesel) can get in, keep it there over night with a dam or soaked rag, tap the bolt regularly to 'worry' it. Judicious use of an impact driver is very handy.

If it's raised, you can cut a slot in it with a coarse hacksaw and use a large flat blade with the square shank to turn with a spanner. If countersunk, you have more of a problem. Tap tap with a hammer is often a winner.

Can you undo the other screws and 'encourage' the remaining one with the latch itself? (ie: use the latch as the 'screwdriver')
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Reply By: eerfree - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 20:07

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 20:07
Brent
Its only a Nissan ------ Oxy Acetylene!!!!

eerfree
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 21:24

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 21:24
True, in that case maybe 'drill and blast' would help.
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Follow Up By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 07:17

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 07:17
could give you a recipie for touchpowder, but would probably draw unwanted attention from authorities...
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Follow Up By: Joombi - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 07:51

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 07:51
if you get the stuffed screw out, keep it & throw the rest away LOL....
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Reply By: Member - Andy Q (VIC) - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 22:50

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 22:50
G'day Brent.n, try cuttin' into the head of the screw with a hack-saw and make it for a straight head screwdriver.
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Reply By: Off-track - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 23:03

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 23:03
Yes lapping paste can be good if not too damaged. If more damaged clean out the drive recess as much as possible then lightly hit the head several times with the ball part of a ball pein hammer. Then insert the screwdriver and give a few solid taps to the handle with the hammer to seat the driver into the recess. Now use as much force as you can to push on the screwdriver and simultaneously turning it, while keeping it square. If this doesnt work you are pretty much left with drilling/easy-outing it.
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Reply By: smort - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 06:47

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 06:47
Hi Brent

the last thing i would use is a drill and an easy out - my experience with so called ezyouts is you start with a problem with a reasonably soft bolt or screw that you could drill out at a pinch but end up with a very hard broken ezy out in the middle of the very thing you wanted to get out - they usually break before get the problem solved - it is as good as impossible to drill out a broken ezyout.

Another post mentioned a hammer - I like the hammer solution only I would use the correct phillips head screwdriver in good condition - give a couple of very sharp hits with the hammer and it will probably come out - give it a couple of more hits and try again. It is also a good trick for most phillps head screws on door locks and hinges - they are usually frozen with thread lock or rust - if it wont let go - give the screwdriver a shap rap or two and it will usully come out.

Hope this helps

smort
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 07:33

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 07:33
I agree, easy-outs often end up as just the oposite.

Something not yet mentioned is to try a small arc weld attaching a small piece of square section bar across the head of the screw. This then gives you a raised up square sided piece of metal that you can use a spanner on.
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Reply By: Turist (The Original One) - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 07:46

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 07:46
Tapered reverse thread easy outs are engineering at it's worst
As torque is applied the easy out winds further into the drilled hole.
If the wall thickness in the damaged bolt/screw is a bit reduced from the drilling the easy out expands the screw tighter into the thread, making it harder to remove.

There are other better designs, parallel fluted drive in bolt removers.
Drill a pilot hole with the correct drill, drive in the screw remover, slide a special nut down the flutes until it bottoms and then unscrew.
If you select the correct sise and use as per mfg instruction successful on most occassions.

Although paint damage may occur a strong blue flame applied to the area, sufficient to cause metal expansion, will normally loosen the tightest screw.
Often required if a strong screw lock adhesive has been used.

Bob
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Follow Up By: Slapnut - Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 18:07

Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 18:07
I disagre Bob.
You need to select the right size easy out for the job, if you select an easy out that is too large, what you discribe (reduced wall thickness) will happen but with the correct selection they are sized to ensure that this is not possible.
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Reply By: ooze - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 15:25

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 15:25
I'd try the slot for a flat screwdriver first, but the maybe try drilling a hole and tapping(hammering) an allen key into it and hopefully unscrew. Make the hole a bit smaller than the key. Worked for us with a snapped bolt that holds the bellhousing on the back of the motor.
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Reply By: hoyks - Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 21:26

Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 21:26
If you have to remove screws and can’t get them with the standard tap easy-out (which from my experience it cant be real tight if you can), then I strongly recommend you get your self some Snapon Multi-spline screw extractors.
We use then to get corroded screws out of equipment that doesn’t like you to be too rough with as it costs millions and a lot of the time it cant be repaired, and have found these to be the best of everything we have tried.
You can actually get some torque on to them while you give it a sharp tap with a hammer, just don’t overdo it and snap them off in the hole as they take some drilling out.

Snapon screw extractors
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