Mobitronics Rectifier going strange

Submitted: Monday, Aug 21, 2006 at 16:10
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I think i left the lid open on the older 35l waeco and when i had a look in the next day everything was warm and the compressor was not on.

I unplugged everything and checked the fuse on the mobitronics and started it all up, the compressor spluttered, started and then stopped. Did this a few times.

Unplugged the mobitronics and set to it with the multimeter when plugged into mains, got sparks and a hissing noise.

Got out the versalite and plugged it in, small hissing but light started and stayed on fine.

Put the waeco on a battery all night and it ran fine all night.

Put the other danfoss fridge on the mobitronics and it seemed to run fine but still made a noise and i disconnected thinking maybe it does work but for how long ?

Anyone had these issues - any suggestions ?

Why would it spark when mulimeter prongs are put inside ? very carefully too I might add, no joinging of the +ve and -ve components.
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Reply By: Dazmit - Monday, Aug 21, 2006 at 17:35

Monday, Aug 21, 2006 at 17:35
Hi porl

From what I gather these Mobitronics have a high failure rate - I believe the internal capacitors didn't have a high enough temperature ratings on the early ones.
I've had experience with caravan ones which automatically swap from 240V or 12V supply and they usually die as well.

Cheers

Darryl
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Reply By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Monday, Aug 21, 2006 at 17:35

Monday, Aug 21, 2006 at 17:35
Hi Porl,
had similar issues with my first Mobitronics rectifier(the big one, I need to run a 110L Waeco)... I opened it up and showed a mate who's an electrical engineer. He cringed at the quality, or lack there of. By his account, there was a whole heap of unnessecary crap inside all held together with what he called "snot"... I had fried a couple of bits inside on the printed circuit board and it worked intermittently. I had the reciept so I changed it over and no issues since. If this one fails, I'll be buying a better quality unit.

For the record, if you do open it up be warned... There is a BIG MOFO capacitor in there, I know 'cause I touched it...!!! My arm didn't stop aching for about 2 hours...LOL
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Reply By: Thylacine - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 10:21

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 10:21
"Why would it spark when mulimeter prongs are put inside ? very carefully too I might add, no joinging of the +ve and -ve components."

Far too broad a question without more detailed info.
Basically, if you don't know the answer, you have no business fault-finding electronics and are far more likely to cause damage than repair it.
Cheap multimeters and people with a basic knowledge of Ohm's Law are a scary combination.

ed
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Follow Up By: porl - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 17:01

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 17:01
There's nice helpful ways to put stuff and rude condescending ways to put stuff so thanks for nothing ed.
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Follow Up By: Thylacine - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 23:12

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 23:12
Apologies, porl, if I sounded rude or condescending, as such was not my intention. Had it been, my post would have read something like this:

"Why would it spark when mulimeter prongs are put inside ? very carefully too I might add, no joinging of the +ve and -ve components."
You obviously lack even the basic knowledge to fault-find a DC circuit, so why tackle electronics? Your willingness to risk electrocution through ignorance is a great example of how "a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing". And, albeit impressive in a homer simpsonesque manner, it doesn't alleviate the fact that others may read such drivel and feel that opening an enclosure and inserting probes (even if you are "very carefully too I might add, no joinging of the +ve and -ve components." , whatever that means ?) is safe.

But that wasn't what i was getting at.
ELECTRICITY IS INVISIBLE AND VERY DANGEROUS.
With the advent of cheap multimeters and the dispersal of knowledge via the internet the likelihood of accidental electrocution has gone through the roof.
I see many posts here (and on other 4WD fora), often by traders with little understanding of the subject that they're supposedly experts on, that are so wrong it's not funny (amps/hr is my latest favourite).
And this is what led to my comment.
As to being constructive, it's a bit hard to know where to start with this information (again): "Why would it spark when mulimeter prongs are put inside ? very carefully too I might add, no joinging of the +ve and -ve components."
I could try to explain that you're adding a high impedance (depending on the meter) either in parallel or series, both of which will have vastly different effects on a circuit . One being a factor of the sum impedence, the other a sum of reciprocals. And that's electrics. Start doing these things to an electronic circuit and it gets more complicated (actually it already was, but I'm trying to keep things simple).
Back to the "a little bit of knowledge" thing.
Without the proper schooling, it's very hard to see the danger in such work.
"Hell, I can touch both terminals of a car battery, so how can working on a car hurt me?" etc, etc.
Ohm's law gets bandied around too. And it is a cornerstone of electrical theory, but there are time when it doesn't apply (try using it to work out the "resistence" of a new battery, then check it with your meter). This will intrigue you both.
And I can't see how taking any measurement at pts in an electronic cicuit could be of help to someone who doesn't understand the ciruit logic. Without that how to know what/where to measure anyway. opr know where was a dangerous (read stupid) pt to place the probes.

I wouldn't have replied to this thread if I only wanted to stir things up. But I see things posted almost daily by people with little if any knowledge on this subject propounding their theories as fact.
And there are a few other forumites that feel the same way (from reading their replies).
Personally, i can't bake for anything. So I don't advise others how to make a cake.
cheers

ed

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Follow Up By: porl - Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:17

Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:17
ok Ed, all good, I'm not that sort of stupid.

I can understand from your background now that my lack information led you to our misunderstanding. By "put the prongs inside" I did not dismantle the rectifier unit, I simply put the positive prong onto the positive terminal and the negative onto the negative terminal of the socket to measure if it was putting out 13.4v as the first step of seeing if in fact the rectifier was working or the compressor was buggered.

But from the above comments I'm happy to buy a new unit, it is five years old, and it will be a lot cheaper than a new fridge. Might try a different brand now though. Evakool have some units out, mind you there's not much choice on the market for 240AC to 12DC adaptors that are rated to 6 amps or above continuous. Not that I need 6 amps continuous but that's seems to be the range of what is available.
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 10:25

Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 10:25
"that are so wrong it's not funny (amps/hr is my latest favourite). "

Ed - thankyou - so I'm not alone in trying to stop the frequent erroneous postings which confuse instantaneous current flow (amps - as in a fuse rating) and cumulative current (amp-hours - as in a battery capacity rating).

Clearly amps/hr (amps per hour) is a meaningless quantity, but because it's starting to be used so often (in error), more and more people start to believe it's correct !!!
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